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TataTata07 Nov 4, 2010 5:00 pm


Originally Posted by 2wheels (Post 15073750)
Yep, you can hear it if you're listening to a tower or ramp where it is. I've done this a few times, but never on channel 9, only on on my radios. Its kind of interesting, because the AF actually replaces the tower controllers with AF controllers while the aircraft is present, so you'll hear some interesting accents sometimes.

I watched a documentary on Nat Geo recentally about AF1 and the Pres Advance Team stages AF Officers inside the control towers to supervise activity. Don't recall that they actually replace the controllers but I guess its possible in some countries.

GUWonder Nov 4, 2010 5:13 pm


Originally Posted by gfunkdave (Post 15064279)
Your wife had access to print it but not look at it? Only in government... :rolleyes:

It does sound dysfunctional, but it's a result of different people having different levels in terms of security clearances and different skill-sets for different people.

Even in private sector corporate environments there are times when senior management will allow administrative support staff to push out print-outs but not let them see it.

GUWonder Nov 4, 2010 5:22 pm


Originally Posted by goalie (Post 15073831)
I've listened to AF1 both via liveatc.net when it is at SFO and on UA's Ch9* both on the while taxiing at SFO** an while flying en-route and it is quite exciting to hear but iirc, the tower controllers at SFO were the same voices I've always heard (unless the controller has an evil twin bother with the same voice ;))

*In both cases, the Captain made a point to announce it for anyone listening ^.

**Taxiing up until the mandatory ground stop until AF1 taxis and takes off.

I was under the impression that replacement of tower controllers isn't always anywhere near as frequent a given as same skill-set able "minders" being put in place.

slawecki Nov 5, 2010 8:10 am


Originally Posted by GUWonder (Post 15076918)
It does sound dysfunctional, but it's a result of different people having different levels in terms of security clearances and different skill-sets for different people.

Even in private sector corporate environments there are times when senior management will allow administrative support staff to push out print-outs but not let them see it.

i really don't think GS/BAC/C allow people to "see" merger data, for example.

about Xerox created the most advanced desktop computer system (alto, and star)about 20 years ago. they sold it to mac, and it became the Lisa. they also solld them the graphic inteeface and the mouse. at about the same time charles siminoni at xerox created "Bravo". the forerunner of word. he wrote word. simoni went to microsoft with bravo. he owns an island near seattle, a couple of helicopters, and took a trip in space. my wife was the analyst for that machine and software. she refused to go to seattle.

when WH equipment broke, top half of xerox bldng in royslin was cleared, facing buildings were cleared, all by secret service. she would print the stuff to a remote printer. all residue was confiscated. took about 50 or so SS agents, and a huge traffic jam. she did similar things for other agencies for top secret documents. she had highest level of civilian clearance, but that was not near good enough. sure wish she would have gone to MS.

slawecki Nov 5, 2010 8:20 am

talking about af1 security
 
particularly during the bush era, a group of about 6 helicopters would depart andrews, fly over to and down suitland parkway(not the potomac) and back. about an hour later, an AF1 would take off from andrews, and if north, turn and run up or down the beltway very loW and slow. happened at least once a week.

lnixon Nov 6, 2010 2:32 am

Just follow the #AF1 hashtag on Twitter for some interesting tidbits on Air Force 1 operations: https://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23AF1

RodneyBD May 15, 2015 10:38 am

Posting to this old but helpful thread because one of the AF1 747's just flew over my house at maybe 3-4,000 feet, that was impressive, and I was able to watch it long enough to see it make the turn for Andrews (I presume). No idea if anyone is on board today. I live north of the beltway and don't see much KAFB traffic. I jumped online to see if I could track it. The consensus seems to be: maybe. Flightaware as a policy does not track military aircraft. Flightradar24 is Swedish and you can see military aircraft but the identity reads "blocked". There are some others that may have various policies (planefinder.net, etc). Based on other reports in the airline nerd forums apparently AF1 may or may not have it's transponder on depending on location, situation, etc. All in all pretty cool stuff.

GUWonder May 15, 2015 11:32 am


Originally Posted by RodneyBD (Post 24820501)
Posting to this old but helpful thread because one of the AF1 747's just flew over my house at maybe 3-4,000 feet, that was impressive, and I was able to watch it long enough to see it make the turn for Andrews (I presume). No idea if anyone is on board today. I live north of the beltway and don't see much KAFB traffic. I jumped online to see if I could track it. The consensus seems to be: maybe. Flightaware as a policy does not track military aircraft. Flightradar24 is Swedish and you can see military aircraft but the identity reads "blocked". There are some others that may have various policies (planefinder.net, etc). Based on other reports in the airline nerd forums apparently AF1 may or may not have it's transponder on depending on location, situation, etc. All in all pretty cool stuff.

AF1 does have transponder turned on sometimes -- at least it did in the past.

Annalisa12 May 15, 2015 8:21 pm


Originally Posted by RodneyBD (Post 24820501)
Posting to this old but helpful thread because one of the AF1 747's just flew over my house at maybe 3-4,000 feet, that was impressive, and I was able to watch it long enough to see it make the turn for Andrews (I presume). No idea if anyone is on board today. I live north of the beltway and don't see much KAFB traffic. I jumped online to see if I could track it. The consensus seems to be: maybe. Flightaware as a policy does not track military aircraft. Flightradar24 is Swedish and you can see military aircraft but the identity reads "blocked". There are some others that may have various policies (planefinder.net, etc). Based on other reports in the airline nerd forums apparently AF1 may or may not have it's transponder on depending on location, situation, etc. All in all pretty cool stuff.

I too would get a buzz if I saw AF1 flying over my house.

goalie May 16, 2015 11:14 am


Originally Posted by Annalisa12 (Post 24822924)
I too would get a buzz if I saw AF1 flying over my house.

I get that buzz quite often when POTUS is in SF as if AF1 (or any other aircraft) departs the 28's ex-SFO and turns north, all I have to do is step out on to my balcony and look up :)


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