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scubadiver Oct 25, 2010 2:24 pm

I doubt that one cell phone would interfere with avionics. But a likely scenario is 300 pax fire up their mobiles as the plane is on final approach to say, "I'm landing." Perhaps that'd send enough watts to turn the altimiter off by 6 feet?

Think of the roadside signs, "No 2-way radio broadcasting - blasting area." The 2 little wire leads on a blasting cap act as antennas. Yes, you might get through to the avionics.

On the other side, planes get hit by lightning all the time and just keep on chugging. Is there an EE on Flyertalk to 'splain what a cell phone can do that lightning can't?

gfunkdave Oct 25, 2010 3:22 pm


Originally Posted by FlyingDiver (Post 15007076)
Second, the FAA really doesn't like anyone using any kind of device that transmits energy (RF, etc) on an aircraft. All the systems installed on the plane are tested to make sure they don't interfere with other systems. A normally working phone might not bother anything, but a broken (or deliberately modified) one certainly could.



Originally Posted by scubadiver (Post 15010880)
I doubt that one cell phone would interfere with avionics. But a likely scenario is 300 pax fire up their mobiles as the plane is on final approach to say, "I'm landing." Perhaps that'd send enough watts to turn the altimiter off by 6 feet?

So why do they allow everyone on the plane to use wifi on their laptop?

firequall Oct 25, 2010 6:42 pm


Originally Posted by scubadiver (Post 15010880)
I doubt that one cell phone would interfere with avionics. But a likely scenario is 300 pax fire up their mobiles as the plane is on final approach to say, "I'm landing." Perhaps that'd send enough watts to turn the altimiter off by 6 feet?

Six feet can be the difference between landing softly and ramming the plane into the ground, thus damaging a multi-million dollar piece of equipment.

Just saying.

enviroian Oct 25, 2010 6:48 pm


Originally Posted by AlphaDelta (Post 15006856)
Last November

Interesting thread. Just curious as to why you waited a year to post it?

rjw242 Oct 25, 2010 6:50 pm


Originally Posted by scubadiver (Post 15010880)
On the other side, planes get hit by lightning all the time and just keep on chugging. Is there an EE on Flyertalk to 'splain what a cell phone can do that lightning can't?

My guess is lightning is broadband interference (i.e. its energy is distributed over the full frequency spectrum), but only for a brief instant. Cell phones emit in extremely narrow frequency bands and broadcast continuously. If this frequency band happens to be at a frequency that the avionics use, it therefore has more potential to cause sustained errors (i.e. the proverbial "altitude needle" is off by a certain amount for a long time, instead of just twitching when a lightning strike happens).

Also, it's easier to design electronics to ignore broadband interference (can detect simultaneous signal at other frequencies) than narrowband (looks just like the signal you're interested in).

AlphaDelta Oct 25, 2010 7:21 pm


Originally Posted by enviroian (Post 15012529)
Just curious as to why you waited a year to post it?

I was waiting for someone to ask that;). New member of FT.

AlaskaAir738 Oct 25, 2010 9:37 pm


Originally Posted by AlphaDelta (Post 15012724)
I was waiting for someone to ask that;). New member of FT.

Welcome. :). It is an interesting thread. And good location.

AlphaDelta Oct 25, 2010 9:45 pm


Originally Posted by AlaskaAir738 (Post 15013468)
Welcome. :). It is an interesting thread. And good location.

Just as the DL gate agent in ASE said "I've never seen someone from EAT before"

QueenOfCoach Oct 25, 2010 9:50 pm


inane conversations in every second seat ("No, I'm on the plane..."): I can just as well imagine it.
"My colonoscopy last week indicated a polyp..."
"Can I get a refill for my Viagra? I'm out of town and..."
"No, you need to put Huggies on her at night. The daytime diapers leak..."
"I've looked at the numbers, and it looks like we will have to lay off Fred..."
"And how did his wife find out..."
"You've never had a root canal job? I have, and it goes something like this..."

AlphaDelta Oct 25, 2010 9:54 pm


Originally Posted by QueenOfCoach (Post 15013539)
"My colonoscopy last week indicated a polyp..."
"Can I get a refill for my Viagra? I'm out of town and..."
"No, you need to put Huggies on her at night. The daytime diapers leak..."
"I've looked at the numbers, and it looks like we will have to lay off Fred..."
"And how did his wife find out..."
"You've never had a root canal job? I have, and it goes something like this..."

The possibilities are ever so endless it makes my head hurts.

I did get a laugh or two out of your examples though^

rjw242 Oct 25, 2010 10:01 pm


Originally Posted by QueenOfCoach (Post 15013539)
"My colonoscopy last week indicated a polyp..."
"Can I get a refill for my Viagra? I'm out of town and..."
"No, you need to put Huggies on her at night. The daytime diapers leak..."
"I've looked at the numbers, and it looks like we will have to lay off Fred..."
"And how did his wife find out..."
"You've never had a root canal job? I have, and it goes something like this..."

Some of those sound moderately entertaining. All I ever get are interminable, boring business conversations like "So we need to re-run the numbers on the Anderson account, vis a vis the updated tax treaty ....", spoken in a loud, sloooow monotone :P

AlphaDelta Oct 25, 2010 10:17 pm


Originally Posted by rjw242 (Post 15013592)
Some of those sound moderately entertaining. All I ever get are interminable, boring business conversations like "So we need to re-run the numbers on the Anderson account, vis a vis the updated tax treaty ....", spoken in a loud, sloooow monotone :P

I see what your getting at, but that would be interesting for maybe twenty minutes max. A transcon flight with someone talking about how they spent there weekend would be annoying. Look up Alaska Airlines | "Chatter" on YouTube for a really good example.

cathayman Oct 26, 2010 8:51 am


Originally Posted by Aviatrix (Post 15007391)
Hasn't it???

I fly light aircraft. I have, on one or two occasions, taken off with my cellphone still switched on in my pocket. The reason I noticed it was on was the fact that it interfered with the aircraft radio.

OK, I appreciate that the telephone of a passenger in seat 35A (or even 2A) is going to be a lot further away from any avionics than a telephone in the pilot's pocket.... but to claim that there is no proof that cellphones interfere with avionics is not correct. I get that proof every time I fly a light aircraft with my cellphone accidentally left on.

what sort of pilot are you ? " everytime I fly with my cell phone switched on " what else do you accidentally forget to do ? :td:

rjw242 Oct 26, 2010 9:20 am


Originally Posted by cathayman (Post 15015736)
what sort of pilot are you ? " everytime I fly with my cell phone switched on " what else do you accidentally forget to do ? :td:

Um, same sort as a driver who accidentally leaves his blinker on once in a while after a lane change. Cripes, no need to be nasty, everyone makes far worse mistakes. Are cell phones even prohibited aboard private aircraft flying VFR?

Travelsonic Oct 26, 2010 9:24 am


Originally Posted by firequall (Post 15012501)
Six feet can be the difference between landing softly and ramming the plane into the ground, thus damaging a multi-million dollar piece of equipment.

Just saying.

What a load of hysterical hyperbole. [just sayin' ;)]


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