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Originally Posted by newbiztraveler
(Post 14245858)
When you spend 8-10hrs+ a week traveling, you should think about this in relation to your pay.
Originally Posted by newbiztraveler
(Post 14245858)
If you spend 50hrs a week on work activities, you've effectively reduced your salary 25%.
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my two hockey pucks are that it's my own time as it's a commute and i don't get paid to commute nor do i do work when i'm driving to work and as such, i won't do it on a plane.
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I'm going to move this over to the TravelBuzz forum where it is a bit more pertinent as it isn't particularly technology related. </mod> |
Originally Posted by sweeper20
(Post 14198453)
One more twist to it - if its a weekday during normal business hours, I consider it work time. If its after hours, I consider it my time.
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Originally Posted by ResearchGal
(Post 14207390)
Is wi-fi a must, or do you bring along work that you can without a connection? How valuable is wi-fi inflight for you?
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for my situation, traveling more often for projects, training, and conferences, than for same-day meetings, it is mostly personal time. also our general policy is that flying day is travel day -- its an act to show up to an office for 2 hours of face time.
of course for many "work time" is almost inseparable from "personal time". i get some reading, reviewing, and production in sometimes onboard or in lounges... but its quite rare and its a difficult environment to do so |
At my last job my meter starting running as soon as I left my house and wasn't turned off until I reached the hotel/my home/office. Therefore, I always considered my time onboard company time as they were paying me. I'd dress for it (even if I wasn't seeing any clients or colleagues that day) and made a point to spend some of the flight working.
However, my Father who works as a lawyer, only gets to bill hours (and therefore get paid) if he's specifically working on the client's material. Based on that, he considers it to be his time. |
If I'm travelling on business during work hours it's 'company time' but generally I don't work on airplanes. It's not that I'm not willing to, it's that I can't. I'm 6'3, always travel in economy, and 75% of the time the seat in front of me is in full-recline, so there's no way I can work on my laptop - I can barely open a paperback book.
If I'm giving a presentation I might review a printout of it, or read some documents or similar, but that's about it. I will work at the airport prior to departure if I have time - My home airport (YVR) has free WiFi so that's a huge help.
Originally Posted by ResearchGal
(Post 14207390)
How valuable is wi-fi inflight for you?
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One thing I try to do when all else fails (in Coach seat during business hours, brain is fried) is listen to industry podcasts. I can also get into into news podcasts in French, German or Spanish, all of which are languages I can use on the job. (Well, OK, the guys in the Zurich office don't sound like the German newscasters but it helps.)
I used to work for a consulting firm and did a fair amount of flying back and forth. If there was nothing billable I could do on the plane, I always made sure to stack up on business-related things to make and do, especially for the early-AM EWR-DFW runs. I logged the time as non-billable but was generally reading industry periodicals or whatever else I could do to maximize business-related work while en route. |
Our firm tracks travel time for internal metrics, however we aren't expected to work on the plane. A lot of that stems from privacy concerns - even with screen guards it's pretty easy for others to see what you're working on. Both clients and our firm feel it's important to keep this sensitive information private, which makes sense to me.
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Originally Posted by CMK10
(Post 14249519)
I'd dress for it (even if I wasn't seeing any clients or colleagues that day)
In my past job, I worked with several IBMers who told me that business dress on flights was required for this reason, even if they had no meetings or business functions on the day of travel. The idea was that they were an "ambassador" for the company while in that public setting. |
I generally never work on the plane. I may sometimes work in the lounge. I tend to fall asleep on planes or my mind just goes blahhhh so even if I tried to work, I'd be ineffective. I also do a lot of international travel on weekends so I'm ready to work on Monday morning so I am giving up my personal free time to travel
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My company's policy for exempt employees is that time spent traveling outside normal business hours can't be recorded unless:
1. The travel is by car and you're actually driving. 2. You're actually working on something while traveling. 3. You have special dispensation (never happens). There's been some debate (verging on the theological) among the rank and file about this policy when applied to trips crossing multiple time zones. Note that company policy calls for travel in Y within North America and even sometimes overseas (upgrades are on you, of course), so airborne productivity is limited. |
In my past job, I worked with several IBMers who told me that business dress on flights was required for this reason, even if they had no meetings or business functions on the day of travel. The idea was that they were an "ambassador" for the company while in that public setting. Our policy is you can only charge travel time if it is is required to complete an 8 hour day. For example, if you arrive somewhere at noon and work till 7 p.m. you charge one hour to travel. Otherwise is is not recorded. There's no expectation of working on the plane although I often do. As others have mentioned, it's a good time to prune old emails and other mindless tasks. |
Originally Posted by Non-NonRev
(Post 14251602)
Not criticizing, just curious: Was this because of the idea that you might meet or interact with present or (potential) future clients?
In my past job, I worked with several IBMers who told me that business dress on flights was required for this reason, even if they had no meetings or business functions on the day of travel. The idea was that they were an "ambassador" for the company while in that public setting. |
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