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Thanks for the thanks and feedback, will check about the HIA airport.
Originally Posted by milaohu
(Post 15592752)
Great tool!
Any plan to highlight/find route between two cities with direct/1stop/2stop? |
Originally Posted by cockpitvisit
(Post 15576575)
The route isn't listed in their official timetable. Are you sure it was a scheduled flight?
i also noticed that the airlines for birmingham, alabama airport (BHM) are limited to american, delta and southwest, but i've flown into there on us airways (from PHL) and continental (from IAH) before, and the BHM arrival page shows similar information: http://www.bhamintlairport.com/schedules-arrivals.html i promise this time it wasn't for the hajj lol |
I think Hajj flights are technically charters, so they don't show up in airline schedules.
US and CO flights into BHM are operated not by mainlines, but by their regional operators. These flights are shown as codeshares if you move the mouse to the routes. At the present I have no way of telling a regional operator from a true codeshare, so codeshare airlines are not listed for airports (otherwise I would have to list the whole Star/oneworld alliance for almost every major airport). |
thanks for the great tool, well done.
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Update available
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It is a nice program. I surprised. Thank you.
I have a plan to make airline tour program with iPhone. it is planing status till now. Can I take your *.dat files in the iPhone program? And if you don't mind can you inform me where can I find the latest data? |
Feel free to use the data files.
The data files are included with the program (the zip archive is updated usually once per month). There is no separate place to download them. |
Originally Posted by cockpitvisit
(Post 15723014)
The data files are included with the program (the zip archive is updated usually once per month). There is no separate place to download them.
http://openflights.org/data.html#route These add cross-references to airport and airline data (available on the same page), so you don't need to match based on IATA codes. |
Anyone run this and it shows up as blank for the map? I can see all the airport dots and can see routes and do other functions. I just can't see the map. Just dots and lines on a white window.
Using January 20, 2011 (version 1.2.0.6) on Win7 x64. |
Try enabling the 1-pixel offset in options. This seems to solve problems with some OpenGL drivers.
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Enhancement suggestion
Hi cockpitvisit,
Your tool is immensely useful for planning exotic travel. However, there is one enhancement that would make it an order of magnitude more useful. Right now, every time you release the tool, it comes with the schedule for the given month. This is great for short term planning but new routes are started and existing routes cancelled on a daily basis. Furthermore, many routes are seasonal. It would be awesome if every update included route data for the next six, nine or twelve months and the interface would allow one to switch between the different data sets. This would allow initial trip research to be based on routes flown in the month of your trip, rather than based on current schedules which will vary substantially between seasons. This would also reduce the need for monthly updates, a quarterly update, or even a six-monthly update, that comes with 6, 9 or 12 months of future data would still be mostly current after several months. I know I'm asking for a lot, especially as I don't know how automated or otherwise your data collection process is, but i wanted to throw it out there as I'm sure that i'm not the only one who would find this enhancement useful. Thanks again for an awesome tool! Caesar |
Originally Posted by caesar04
(Post 15994180)
HIt would be awesome if every update included route data for the next six, nine or twelve months
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Will there be an update soon? Thanks!
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In about one week I hope.
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I notice that WLG-IVC is missing (from the 20 Jan 2011 update) - Air NZ flies this daily with DH3s.
Cheers. Fantastic job btw - keep it up! |
Originally Posted by cockpitvisit
(Post 16159194)
In about one week I hope.
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Originally Posted by CApreppie
(Post 16236510)
Any closer? :) Thanks!
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Route data updated for April 2011
The route data has been updated to reflect April 2011.
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Originally Posted by cockpitvisit
(Post 16255413)
The route data has been updated to reflect April 2011.
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This is a great tool, thank you for developing!
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Thanks for the great tool.
I have one question/suggestion. I know I can specify certain airlines by myself. But instead of typing all the partners in one airline alliance(OW/*A/ST), is there a way to represent the whole airline alliance with just one single code? Thus would be handy if I want to add particular partners to one alliance. |
Route data updated for June 2011
The route data has been updated to reflect June 2011.
Originally Posted by coolwind
(Post 16414386)
I have one question/suggestion. I know I can specify certain airlines by myself. But instead of typing all the partners in one airline alliance(OW/*A/ST), is there a way to represent the whole airline alliance with just one single code? Thus would be handy if I want to add particular partners to one alliance.
Question: Would an online version using Java make sense? |
Originally Posted by cockpitvisit
(Post 16480121)
The route data has been updated to reflect June 2011.
Added to the to do list. Unfortunately, I have no time to work on the tool right now (only data gets updated), but I hope to add it in the future. Question: Would an online version using Java make sense? I don't know if an online Java version makes sense. What would the performance be like? One thing I like about the Windows version is that it is very responsive and quick in drawing. |
Originally Posted by ckpeter
(Post 16480621)
I don't know if an online Java version makes sense. What would the performance be like?
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Good work looks like a great tool
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Vielen Dank!
Cockpitvisit, awesome tool, thank you very much! This is so incredibly useful!
Here are my comments and things I stumbled across during a few days of use. I understand that your data sources do not differentiate between code-shares and flights by subsidiaries. That is the only real drawback I found so far. I normally want to include flights from subsidiaries/regionals but usually exclude code-share flights such as SYD-JNB operated by Quantas when I limit the network to Star Alliance, for example. Well, I understand it's one minor limitation that it looks like we'll have to live with. The setting to include regionals and code-shares in the results is very important. At the same time the full meaning and scope of this term will not be clear to the uninitiated (like me). Most will not bother to read this thread (I'm surprised about your patience with all these "give me a Mac version", "how do you zoom without a mouse", etc.). May I still suggest to change the tooltip for the menu entry to "Show codeshares and regionals (recommended)", adding the underlined part? I think it's safer to have it on than off as default for people who don't fully understand what it actually does. For the benefit of those who actually do read this thread, I will point out three important lessons I learned when I felt there were routes missing in the database. First is to activate above setting and see if that brings up the flights. Second, if that is not sufficient, make sure the subsidiaries are not operating under their own code (JQ and 3K, BL or AK and FD, D7 come to mind). Third, make sure it's not a seasonal route. For example, I thought that NH SDJ-OKA, NZ SYD-RAR and NZ NAN-CHC among others were missing. Well, they're not, it's just that those routes are not operational for the current month, June 2011. Speaking about seasonals, I still find them to be very important pieces of information. I remember that you previously turned down the request to include several months worth of route data, citing the amount of data involved as the reason. I suppose that's the amount of data you need to process, not the size of the routes.dat file? It's my understanding that you currently process one month of data. Would it be possible to add 2 weeks worth of data each about three and six months out? I think that should take care of the seasonal routes without a six-to-12-fold increase in overhead for you. The following routes ARE indeed missing and I was wondering if there is a way for you to add them; extended long-hauls. NZ1 LHR-LAX-AKL or UA846 EZE-IAD-SFO come to mind. These kinds of connections can be very beneficial for award bookings since they consume only one segment despite the actual two flights (who share the same flight number). One very minor let-down was that custom airline groupings are reset on restart of the program and switching the sorting of the airlines in the drop-down box. The latter one is a bit unexpected. PZ needs to be added to the Star Alliance members in alliances.dat
Originally Posted by cockpitvisit
(Post 13988827)
I am not sure how to combine automatic updates with manual edits.
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The latest version mistakenly shows Comair (MN) as having an extensive route network within Indonesia.
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Originally Posted by L4ibsch
(Post 16499933)
May I still suggest to change the tooltip for the menu entry to "Show codeshares and regionals (recommended)", adding the underlined part?
Speaking about seasonals, I still find them to be very important pieces of information. ... Would it be possible to add 2 weeks worth of data each about three and six months out? The following routes ARE indeed missing and I was wondering if there is a way for you to add them; extended long-hauls. NZ1 LHR-LAX-AKL or UA846 EZE-IAD-SFO come to mind. "sort routes-from-scraping.dat routes-manually-added.dat | uniq > routes.dat" would prepare the new routes.dat for distribution. Since the quality of the automatically gathered data is relatively good, I think it is a lesser evil to simply live with the errors/omissions in this data, rather than try augmenting it per hand. Of course, everyone is welcome to create his own routes.dat with improved data. Maybe this is the right way to tackle the extended long-hauls if collecting them automatically is too cumbersome?
Originally Posted by Austinrunner
The latest version mistakenly shows Comair (MN) as having an extensive route network within Indonesia.
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The Pensacola airport in Florida misses a lot of flights, apparently. Maybe you want to have a look at it? According to the tool only Delta and AirTran fly there, but it looks like three *A carriers fly there as well and they do so this month.
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Originally Posted by L4ibsch
(Post 16541866)
The Pensacola airport in Florida misses a lot of flights, apparently. Maybe you want to have a look at it? According to the tool only Delta and AirTran fly there
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Oh, indeed. The tooltip for the airport itself does not include the regionals. This non-distinction between regionals and codeshares is a major stepping stone :(
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Great job! Though I can spot two incorrect airport coordinates:
DUR -29.6144 31.1164 Durban King Shaka International Apt NBS 42.0881 127.5489 Chang Bai Shan Also, it appears that HHA represents the Changsha airport while CSX represents the city of Changsha itself. ZGC represents the Lanzhou airport while LHW represents the city itself. This might need correction for posterity. Another thing, why does the tool show flights in Libya at the moment when all civil aviation is banned at this moment? I eagerly await a further update! |
Originally Posted by urbanfan89
(Post 16567736)
Another thing, why does the tool show flights in Libya at the moment when all civil aviation is banned at this moment?
FWIW, just came across another interesting flight. AB7341 from POP to VRA. Trying to book the flight with Air Berlin proved to be impossible. I figure the flight is really MUC-POP-VRA, but POP-VRA vv is not on offer (I'm sure AB would like to offer seats). This creates a bit of an inconsistency in the data, but I suppose it's not possible for cockpitvisit to deal with this automatically. |
This is an awesome tool!
As always I will use this as a tool and not as the definitive end all be all authority on routes flown. I think people who demand that plus continuous constant updates are asking a little too much. This is great just to play around with and think about where I want to go next! |
I think I have found a route that is not included in the data when it should be. Please have a look if there is a systematic problem (I understand and have sympathy for your decision to only fix systematic problems).
British Midland has direct flights between ALA and LHR a couple of times a week in both directions. At other times they operate as one-stop flights under the same number (BD991 and BD992). |
Originally Posted by urbanfan89
(Post 16567736)
Another thing, why does the tool show flights in Libya at the moment when all civil aviation is banned at this moment?
Originally Posted by L4ibsch
(Post 16579377)
FWIW, just came across another interesting flight. AB7341 from POP to VRA. Trying to book the flight with Air Berlin proved to be impossible. I figure the flight is really MUC-POP-VRA, but POP-VRA vv is not on offer (I'm sure AB would like to offer seats). This creates a bit of an inconsistency in the data, but I suppose it's not possible for cockpitvisit to deal with this automatically.
The purpose of the tool is to show nonstop scheduled passenger flights, so it does not exclude routes that are not bookable, and does not include multi-segment flights under a single flight number.
Originally Posted by L4ibsch
(Post 16582677)
I think I have found a route that is not included in the data when it should be. Please have a look if there is a systematic problem (I understand and have sympathy for your decision to only fix systematic problems).
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Originally Posted by cockpitvisit
(Post 16582702)
The current data corresponds to the second week of June. According to the Star Alliance timetable, there are no nonstop BD flights between ALA and LHR during that week. So it appears correct to me.
I hope you won't get mad at me for keeping on pointing out stuff I think is missing. It's my way of giving back, by helping a tiny bit to make the tool even greater. Today's candidate are all Sunwing flights. Thank you again for all the effort you put into this. |
Hi there cockpitvisit. Is your code-extraction code capable of identifying the flight number(s) for a route - even partially? If so, would you be willing to publish that data as well? I think one could put that data to good use.
To give credit where it's due: the idea came to me after reading this openflights ticket. |
Originally Posted by strainu
(Post 16650453)
Hi there cockpitvisit. Is your code-extraction code capable of identifying the flight number(s) for a route - even partially?
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