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Where does the KVS tool get its data and is KVS authorized to provide this data in the manner it is presented?

The tool is known to access a variety of web sites, many in a manner that is not authorized. Please see the next section of this Wiki for a list of sites believed to be accessed and their data access policies (where known).

Additionally, under some conditions the tool appears to access sites via a KVS-operated back end. This means that the tool is not just a 'web browser' that runs via a user's machine. No detailed public information is available about how this works or whether any of this back-end access is authorized.

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http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...verrideServlet
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This license shall automatically terminate if you violate any of these restrictions and may be terminated by Flightradar24 at any time. Upon terminating your viewing of these materials or upon the termination of this license, you must destroy any downloaded materials in your possession whether in electronic or printed format.

http://data.seatexpert.com/tpi/find.php
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http://plane.lan.com/cgi-bin/recibo_...bo_eticket.cgi
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http://www.lan.com/en_us/sitio_perso...-use/about-us/
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https://book.tam.com.br/TAM/dyn/air/...ng/retrievePNR
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(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

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https://www.tripforyou.net/t4u/PTopAction.do
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Oct 10, 2006, 6:32 am

#1051

PreferBulkhead

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The question really should be is this something that can be corrected withing KVS or is it something related to the information sources themselves, and if the latter then maybe nothing can be done in any s/w product.

Oct 10, 2006, 3:17 pm

#1052

KVS

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kael O

Will this be corrected in future versions KVS or is this perminant?

At the moment, I do not have a source for fares in AUD.

As of the latest version, the following POSs/currencies are supported:USD

EUR

CAD

GBP

Oct 16, 2006, 9:44 am

#1053

qasr

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I know it'll probably be a wish list item, but how about getting UA award/upgrade classes from united.com?

The method would be to log into united.com and search for awards, if one seat in either three award classes (or 2 or 1 as applicable) is available, it shows all the award and upgrade buckets. Note this requires expert mode be turned on in your united.com profile. There is more info here: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=113792

Any chance of seeing this in KVS soon?

Oct 16, 2006, 11:26 am

#1054

seadan

Join Date: Aug 2004

Location: Seattle, WA

Programs: UA 1MM, AS MVPG, SPG/Marriott Gold

Posts: 350

I'm looking at UA fares from SEA-NRT for travel 10/19 and 10/24 or 10/25 using the Sabre Fares/DotRes. I get the following results:

[KVS Availability Tool 2.4.0/Platinum - Sabre: Fares/DotRes/US-USD]

Code:

SEA  Seattle/Tacoma Int'l WA US [KSEA]
NRT  Tokyo Narita JP [RJAA]
THU  19 Oct 2006 / WED  25 Oct 2006 / RT

Carrier          From           To   Fare      Cur     Fare Basis
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- -- ----------- 
UA               SEA            NRT     419    USD     TECATPZ/WWF
UA               SEA            NRT    1190    USD     HKXJP6M
UA               SEA            NRT    1281    USD     MKXAP
UA               SEA            NRT    1381    USD     MKWAP
UA               SEA            NRT    2536    USD     B4R
UA               SEA            NRT    2636    USD     B4
UA               SEA            NRT    4414    USD     YXRT
UA               SEA            NRT    4590    USD     YXOW
UA               SEA            NRT    4632    USD     YWRT
UA               SEA            NRT    4816    USD     YWOW
UA               SEA            NRT   10270    USD     Y

Everything I price out comes up with the H fare; my question is how do I book this T fare in bold above?

Oct 16, 2006, 12:35 pm

#1055

dkerr

Join Date: Aug 2001

Posts: 1,053

Quote:

Originally Posted by seadan

Everything I price out comes up with the H fare; my question is how do I book this T fare in bold above?

T class has to be available (which it looks like it is) and the fare rules have to be met. I can't check the specific fare rules, but as 10/19 is 3 days from now, I strongly suspect that you don't meet advance puchase requirements. United.com and other sites will generally offer the lowest price fare basis that is legal at time of purchase. Something in the rules is preventing it from being offered, if not advanced purchase then minimum stay, season (date), day-of-week or even routing (only valid through specific gateways).

DAK

Last edited by dkerr; Oct 16, 2006 at 12:50 pm

Oct 16, 2006, 3:01 pm

#1056

KVS

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Quote:

Originally Posted by seadan

Everything I price out comes up with the H fare; my question is how do I book this T fare in bold above?

That appears to be a unpublished contract/bulk fare. Try speaking to a Res suprevisor at UA to see if they locate/book it. If not, PM me and I will get you the contact info for the agency that is providing that fare...

Oct 17, 2006, 8:21 am

#1057

qasr

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Quote:

Originally Posted by KVS

Are these fares supposed to be seen from KVS? If so, that makes things much more interesting...

Oct 17, 2006, 12:51 pm

#1058

KVS

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Quote:

Originally Posted by qasr

Are these fares supposed to be seen from KVS? If so, that makes things much more interesting...

Well, I am not filtering-out any fares...

BTW, I just checked, and the UA "/WWF" suffix indicates a so-called "web" fare.

Oct 18, 2006, 9:23 pm

#1059

KVS

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Quote:

Originally Posted by qasr

There actually is a very real chance of that hapenning

Perhaps other UA-ers could also comment, as to the usefullness of such an addition to the KVS Tool, taking into considiration the "flight must have at least 1 [saver] economy seat available, or it won't show-up" restriction.

Here is a sample output:

[KVS Availability Tool 2.5.0/Platinum - Apollo: Awards/UA/US-UAMP]

Code:

NYC  New York Metro NY US = JFK LGA EWR
LAX  Los Angeles Int'l CA US [KLAX]
WED  01 Nov 2006

Carrier   Flight From Depart    To   Arrive    A/C  St   Availability
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- -------------- 
UA        23     JFK  08:50     LAX  12:11     757  0    R0 X1 O1 I6 N1
UA        839    JFK  17:55     LAX  21:17     757  0    R0 X0 O0 I4 N3
UA        51     JFK  19:00     LAX  22:34     757  0    R0 X2 O4 I9 N4
UA        33     JFK  20:45     LAX  00:19 +1  757  0    R1 X3 O5 I9 N2
UA        667    LGA  06:00     ORD  07:25     752  0    R9 X9 N3
 -> UA    105    ORD  08:00     LAX  10:32     763  0    R1 X4 O4 I9 N3
UA        669    LGA  07:00     ORD  08:38     320  0    R1 X4 N9
 -> UA    109    ORD  10:05     LAX  12:37     763  0    R0 X0 N9
UA        975    EWR  07:30     ORD  09:03     752  0    R9 X9 O8 I9 N9
 -> UA    109    ORD  10:05     LAX  12:37     763  0    R0 X0 N9
UA        1157   EWR  07:53     DEN  10:25     319  0    R0 X0 N9
 -> UA    557    DEN  11:15     LAX  12:45     752  0    R6 X9 N9
UA        1183   LGA  08:00     DEN  10:37     752  0    R2 X9 N9
 -> UA    469    DEN  13:35     LAX  15:03     752  0    R4 X9 N9
UA        1183   LGA  08:00     DEN  10:37     752  0    R2 X9 N9
 -> UA    557    DEN  11:15     LAX  12:45     752  0    R6 X9 N9
UA        279    LGA  10:05     DEN  12:29     752  0    R5 X9 N9
 -> UA    469    DEN  13:35     LAX  15:03     752  0    R4 X9 N9
UA        373    EWR  10:21     DEN  12:34     319  0    R0 X2 N9
 -> UA    469    DEN  13:35     LAX  15:03     752  0    R4 X9 N9

Oct 18, 2006, 10:27 pm

#1060

qasr

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Quote:

Originally Posted by KVS

There actually is a very real chance of that hapenning

I'm glad I asked.

I for one would find this EXTREMELY useful. I would be very surprised if other UA FTers did not either. Good work KVS! ^

The one saver seat restriction is unfortunate, but unavoidable too as I understand it.

I can't wait for 2.5.0! ^

Oct 18, 2006, 11:38 pm

#1061

Erasmus

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Quote:

Originally Posted by KVS

There actually is a very real chance of that hapenning

This is huge! I'd likely be forced to find a Windows box to use on a regular basis and would probably dump my ExpertFlyer subscription as well.

Oct 18, 2006, 11:58 pm

#1062

ryan182

Join Date: Jul 2004

Location: SNA

Programs: AA EXP, UA 1K (until it expires then never again), *wood Plat, Marriott Gold

Posts: 9,239

Quote:

Originally Posted by KVS

There actually is a very real chance of that hapenning

Code:

NYC  New York Metro NY US = JFK LGA EWR
LAX  Los Angeles Int'l CA US [KLAX]
WED  01 Nov 2006

Carrier   Flight From Depart    To   Arrive    A/C  St   Availability
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- -------------- 
UA        23     JFK  08:50     LAX  12:11     757  0    R0 X1 O1 I6 N1
UA        839    JFK  17:55     LAX  21:17     757  0    R0 X0 O0 I4 N3
UA        51     JFK  19:00     LAX  22:34     757  0    R0 X2 O4 I9 N4
UA        33     JFK  20:45     LAX  00:19 +1  757  0    R1 X3 O5 I9 N2
UA        667    LGA  06:00     ORD  07:25     752  0    R9 X9 N3
 -> UA    105    ORD  08:00     LAX  10:32     763  0    R1 X4 O4 I9 N3
UA        669    LGA  07:00     ORD  08:38     320  0    R1 X4 N9
 -> UA    109    ORD  10:05     LAX  12:37     763  0    R0 X0 N9
UA        975    EWR  07:30     ORD  09:03     752  0    R9 X9 O8 I9 N9
 -> UA    109    ORD  10:05     LAX  12:37     763  0    R0 X0 N9
UA        1157   EWR  07:53     DEN  10:25     319  0    R0 X0 N9
 -> UA    557    DEN  11:15     LAX  12:45     752  0    R6 X9 N9
UA        1183   LGA  08:00     DEN  10:37     752  0    R2 X9 N9
 -> UA    469    DEN  13:35     LAX  15:03     752  0    R4 X9 N9
UA        1183   LGA  08:00     DEN  10:37     752  0    R2 X9 N9
 -> UA    557    DEN  11:15     LAX  12:45     752  0    R6 X9 N9
UA        279    LGA  10:05     DEN  12:29     752  0    R5 X9 N9
 -> UA    469    DEN  13:35     LAX  15:03     752  0    R4 X9 N9
UA        373    EWR  10:21     DEN  12:34     319  0    R0 X2 N9
 -> UA    469    DEN  13:35     LAX  15:03     752  0    R4 X9 N9

YES YES YES!! When does 2.5 come out!?

Oct 18, 2006, 11:59 pm

#1063

Dromomaniac

Join Date: Jul 2003

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Quote:

Originally Posted by KVS

There actually is a very real chance of that hapenning

^ ^ ^ ^ ^

This would be a huge boost. Is it that one saver economy seat must be available, though, or just any saver seat? Often IME, a flight will come up with Business upgrade availability, even though there may be no economy saver awards available, but there is a saver business or saver first award available.

Can't wait for the new version; did I miss the timeframe?

Oct 19, 2006, 3:23 am

#1064

seadan

Join Date: Aug 2004

Location: Seattle, WA

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Posts: 350

Quote:

Originally Posted by KVS

There actually is a very real chance of that hapenning

Very cool! If you're pulling the data from the UA website, I would suggest having a CoS to search drop-down here, in case, as others have pointed out, there is no saver economy but there is saver C or F available.

Oct 19, 2006, 12:53 pm

#1065

qasr

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dromomaniac

I believe it should be possible if only one saver award seat (F, C or Y as applicable) needs to be available, but I might be wrong. (KVS?)