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Originally Posted by TWA884
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Originally Posted by VivoPerLei So, my question - how did TA harvest that information? They most likely received it from the hotel. |
Originally Posted by VivoPerLei
(Post 25575190)
Is that standard practice? Seems like a bit of a privacy issue if that's the case. Maybe I ticked a box in my Hilton profile allowing them to share my information
Take a look at this TripAdvisor FAQ: TripConnect Instant Booking What’s a Connectivity Partner? A connectivity partner is a company that provides the software to support and manage your bookings: your CRS (Central Reservation System), internet booking engine or channel manager, for example. These partners work with TripAdvisor to bring your rates and availability to your property page, process traveler bookings and pass them to you. |
I have found TripAdvisor useful for their offline smartphone city guides when going abroad.
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Great Examples of TripAdvisor Corruption
I've been a user (and reviewer) on TripAdvisor since almost their inception. I have generally been positive about the service, and have always been a heavy user.
As some have pointed out here already, many of the reviews seem to be "crusades" by angry guests - not exactly a balanced review. On the other hand, I've found by reading a handful of the reviews (and checking the status of the reviewers), one can get an accurate picture of the property. However I'm now of the opinion that the corporations/property owners are now "in control" of the process, and TripAdvisor reviews are being increasingly corrupted by insiders. I recently had occasion to be in a Cairns, Queensland Australia hotel during a lunchtime meeting of the local tourism authority. I stuck my head into the meeting and was treated to a presentation by the tourism leadership on how to "get organized" and have each other property owner write glowing reviews on the region's hotels and restaurants. Likewise, I recently wrote a review of an absolutely horrible Radisson Hotel experience in Bridgetown, Barbados. Among other things this 8 story hotel was operating with ALL the elevators out-of-service during a major remodeling that was never disclosed to the guests booking this hotel. I attempted to lodge a review about this situation. It was rejected everytime I sent it in. I've been doing this a long while now with over 150 hotel reviews, and am cognizant on the way these reviews are to be submitted. This one never could make it through, and I was finally told "it is too harsh". Huh? Meanwhile, the same hotel has reviews posted marked "Review collected in partnership with Radisson Hotels". I've attached one of the reviews. It is (like many of them) a couple sentences and then filled with apparently computer generated gibberish. Obviously some kind of compromised TripAdvisor system that allows the hotel to submit their own obviously fraudulent reviews. I've noticed many experienced business travelers withdrawing from their reviewing of properties. TripAdvisor is now being run by the toadies. http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e2...%20Advisor.png |
yes I noticed something similar too. I'm a top reviewer there and was always able to send my unedited reviews. However, I then wrote a negative but very fair (and nothing exaggerating, name-calling, etc) review of a hotel in Cambodia. For the first time ever, it said my review was under review - and then a few days later came back with very weird excuses. One time it said I was accusing people of lying - huh?
The hotel had almost all 5-star reviews, and I stayed there as well as another high reviewed hotel in the same city. The one was clearly less nice of a hotel and that's the one I wrote the negative review about (actually I think it was a 2 or 3-star) - clearly the reviews are biased and getting people to stay at a less-than-par hotel. I think on my 3rd or 4th submission it was finally accepted (I insisted in getting my review in there). I took out anything that was even moderately negative and tried to reword things so that readers could read between the lines that it was worse. This convinced me that clearly some hotels have a relationship with TA but I don't know the details. Either they pay them to excessively scrutinize any negative review, or they let them control their own reviews / etc. This is very disappointing - I've contributed and relied on TA for several years, and now I have to doubt what's real on there. |
This is why the traveller photos are so important. To me the standard of the bathroom is the by far most important thing so any photos showing that are invaluable.
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Originally Posted by Fredrik74
(Post 25939266)
This is why the traveller photos are so important. To me the standard of the bathroom is the by far most important thing so any photos showing that are invaluable.
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Originally Posted by Fredrik74
(Post 25939266)
This is why the traveller photos are so important. To me the standard of the bathroom is the by far most important thing so any photos showing that are invaluable.
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Generally speaking, when reading reviews, I focus on the reviews by veteran reviewers. If I see a glowing review from someone or "something" that has 1 or 2 posts, I immediately dismiss.
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Originally Posted by TMM1982
(Post 25958365)
Generally speaking, when reading reviews, I focus on the reviews by veteran reviewers. If I see a glowing review from someone or "something" that has 1 or 2 posts, I immediately dismiss.
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I signed up and submitted 3 reviews. Two posted in a day; the third has been pending for a week.
The two that posted were positive. The one that's still pending is negative. |
Originally Posted by davie355
(Post 25969841)
I signed up and submitted 3 reviews. Two posted in a day; the third has been pending for a week.
The two that posted were positive. The one that's still pending is negative. |
They emailed me and said my negative review will not be posted because it was not "family friendly."
Here was the full text of my review. Service was fine. Beds were comfy. Unfortunately: 1. Room smelled like pizza and butthole. And the window doesn't open. After reading these TripAdvisor responses from the manager, I suppose the front desk would have granted a room change, but I'd checked in late and did not want to walk all the way back to the lobby. 2. Many linens were dirty. I had a room with 2 double beds; one of the beds had sheets marked with black streaks. A few of my towels had scattered brown spots. The towels themselves were scratchy and small; bath towels are about half the standard size. 3. Room rate is way too much given these problems. Wyndham loyalists, try the nearby Days Inn (Wild West) for similar room rates but none of the above problems. |
I'd rewrite without the "butt hole "
And see if they post it
Originally Posted by davie355
(Post 25975182)
They emailed me and said my negative review will not be posted because it was not "family friendly."
Here was the full text of my review. |
"butthole", very very clearly. Remove it, and re-post.
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Originally Posted by YuropFlyer
(Post 25979299)
"butthole", very very clearly. Remove it, and re-post.
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This is the first I've heard of reviews being rejected as "too harsh" - and very disappointing.
I too ignore reviewers with only a few posts ... and find that reviews starting "i wasn't sure what to expect ..." are often clearly bogus! I've complained in the past that reviews of new locations were being rejected because the Tripadvisor staff couldn't/wouldn't authenticate the location - without giving me (a level 5 reviewer) a second chance to validate the new place. So what can we use instead of Tripadvisor ?? |
Given that a poster just completely destroyed a NYC boutique hotel for bed begs (reviewer uploaded tons of nasty pictures), I'm having trouble with the notion that TA isn't reliable.
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One thing most tourist & traveller's donot know, is the fact that 70% of the review on TA are bought either by the agencies which are directly link to the hotel & restaurant.
These form of fake review's is rampart on most review's communities. the agency usually paid few individual from different part of the globe to post positive review in favor of their services. This are known as paid review's. And because they are paid review's the administrator/moderator of such review site[s] have little or no control over them.However, they are quick to decline any negative review's against such companies. *My suggestion is to always compare each of these review's based on from other review site's by extending your research upto 10th,11th,12th pages of google search engine. Probably, most geniue review(s) will be within the 11th,12th ..pages of google for same reason - that most agencies can go as far as hiring seo and reputation management to push such negative review's down to the last pages of google. So, in term's of review be patient to get to the last pages before dealing with such company. Thanks Chuck Thanks |
I wonder if people make a living writing positive reviews for hotels.
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I am a top contributor to TA - I try and be totally honest. So far I have not had a review rejected.
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I'm also a top TA reviewer. Never had a review rejected. When I search for hotels I read the majority of the reviews; good and bad. In the past I've stayed at non-chain hotels when in Paris. My next trip will be at an Ibis Styles hotel as I got a really great rate. I do like the smallish mom and pop style hotels. I just wanted to try something different this time.
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Or rely on FlyeTalkers suggestions of hotels ;)
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I agree and this is reflective of technological reviewing these days. When you look for a company / service what do you do? You google it. There's companies now who will manage your 'on line reputation' and I assume that means collecting the bare minimum of information and then glossing it up in to a review. It's the same as buying twitter followers or instagram followers like a lot of these Z list celebs do. They're followed by 1.2m people so they must be good. 850k of these are dummy accounts.
The same applies to a hotel, it's got 500 reviews but probably 150 or so are fake. There's a hotel near me a massive well known brand hotel, but it's always really quiet. Qatar is only really just getting off the ground but when any of the restaurants post a picture of a statement it get 500 likes straight away. The give away is that there's only 2 / 3 comments under it. It's all automated. |
Originally Posted by jimmc66
(Post 25933060)
I attempted to lodge a review about this situation. It was rejected everytime I sent it in. I've been doing this a long while now with over 150 hotel reviews, and am cognizant on the way these reviews are to be submitted. This one never could make it through, and I was finally told "it is too harsh". Huh?
but i suspect TA don't get much business through that (rather obscure) hotel - so they were probably more relaxed about a negative review. i've tried using the reviews on Booking.com to evaluate a hotel - but have been shocked by how over-generous many of their reviews are (despite only accepting reviews from people who have actually stayed) ! i'm still looking for an alternative to TA ... |
Originally Posted by fartoomanyusers
(Post 26036196)
for balance - i got a review accepted by TA a few months ago, which included the fact that i had been propositioned by a (very friendly) prostitute in the hotel lobby !
.... i'm still looking for an alternative to TA ... |
I google "tripadvisor biased flyertalk" and found this thread.
Like the OP, I also just recently experienced a negative review being rejected for posting, twice. In fact, it was published and then subsequently removed with a email citing I did not comply to their review guidelines. Clearly I was being censored. Maybe tripadvisor is now biased to property owners and seek to protect them especially against long time reviewers like myself. Tripadvisor is also a hotel booking engine at the same time and some hotels advertise on their website so neutrality in this case is questionable. It's their website so their rules and they call the shots but I am disappointed with their course of action so from now on, I will choose not to contribute to TA any further. |
Originally Posted by BENLEE
(Post 27117313)
I google "tripadvisor biased flyertalk" and found this thread.
Like the OP, I also just recently experienced a negative review being rejected for posting, twice. In fact, it was published and then subsequently removed with a email citing I did not comply to their review guidelines. Clearly I was being censored. I've seen some quite high profile examples of reviews being rejected, and they have generally come down to rather strict enforcement of the guidelines. One review which mentioned feminism was rejected, but then accepted with the same score and a couple of words changed. They rejected it initially because they felt it fell foul of their no "ethical commentary" guideline. |
Originally Posted by GRALISTAIR
(Post 26030125)
I am a top contributor to TA - I try and be totally honest. So far I have not had a review rejected.
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I have had a few reviews rejected or delayed in recent months.
TA has been sitting a recent review (very negative) of mine for over a week now and I definitely think the OP here is correct and that it is a sullied process now. There are huge numbers of fake reviews too. That said, I usually find the time to post a negative review but not always for a positive one ;-) |
TripAdvisor and Expedia share common ownership, and as such have a vested interest in not alienating the major chains from which they derive a good deal of income. I have noticed a perceptible increase in positive ratings for many of the branded properties in major markets, less so in secondary or tertiary areas. Perhaps this is due to major franchisors improving their quality control programs to counteract today's instant dissemination of information technologies that have the capability of making negative occurances go viral (e.g. bedbug photos).
My personal belief is that impartiality takes a backseat to revenue. |
Haven't seen much activity in this thread of late.
Tripadvisor refused to post one of my reviews recently wherein I gave a low rating because the service was poor. It was a perfectly normal, I thought, critical review that mirrored many other recent reviews of the same restaurant. After a week pending, they said it didn't rise to their standards... |
Care to actually post the review you wanted to give them, and the property it was about? It's a bit difficult to judge otherwise if that was reasonably denied or not..
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Wrote a scathing review. The 5 star hotel offered to refund 2 night of accommodation and then asked me in return to remove my review.
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Originally Posted by YuropFlyer
(Post 27133638)
Care to actually post the review you wanted to give them, and the property it was about? It's a bit difficult to judge otherwise if that was reasonably denied or not..
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I've written alot of trip adviser reviews and never had a problem having them post. I also rely on reviews when I travel. It's pretty easy to weed out the people who slam a place because of a one-off bad experience which wasn't the hotel's fault (I also weed out the reviews from shiny-happy people who love everything...the truth is always somewhere in between). If you see a suspect review, report it. I did this once when people gave a great local restaurant 1 star because they went on Monday (the one day each week when it isn't open) without checking the hours first. They didn't even eat there, so how could they write a bad review? The review was promptly removed.
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Originally Posted by Low Roller
(Post 27134798)
I've written alot of trip adviser reviews and never had a problem having them post. I also rely on reviews when I travel. It's pretty easy to weed out the people who slam a place because of a one-off bad experience which wasn't the hotel's fault (I also weed out the reviews from shiny-happy people who love everything...the truth is always somewhere in between). If you see a suspect review, report it. I did this once when people gave a great local restaurant 1 star because they went on Monday (the one day each week when it isn't open) without checking the hours first. They didn't even eat there, so how could they write a bad review? The review was promptly removed.
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Originally Posted by PWMTrav
(Post 27134900)
It's not my job to moderate TA's reviews. In your example, it should have never gotten posted. It's not incumbent upon the consumer to do the work for them. That really gets at why TA isn't reliable.
Still, TA is currently the most comprehensive source for hotel reviews and I think it is still mostly reliable. The trick for consumers is to actually read reviews and judge for themselves, rather than simply relying on the star ratings. |
I have found TA fairly reliable and have never not had a review posted. To weed out a 'bad' property, I simply filter out the 1* and 2* reviews, look at those, and determine whether or not those reviews reflect a 'one of' or a prevailing condition.
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Originally Posted by Annalisa12
(Post 27133782)
Wrote a scathing review. The 5 star hotel offered to refund 2 night of accommodation and then asked me in return to remove my review.
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