Jun 4, 2014, 6:07 pm
Last edit by: TWA884
ITA Matrix Search: http://matrix.itasoftware.com
You can sometimes see flights, fares and detailed fare rules that may not be reflected on an airline's website. Please read the thread for some tips and tricks, screen shots, etc.
A related thread, ITA-Matrix-PowerTools - Userscript for Orbitz/DL/UA/AA/BA/CZ/IB/LA/LH/LX/TK, discusses a user script which is maintained by fellow flyertalk members to enhance the already powerful Matrix of ITA Software by providing new features and booking links.
Additional details and tips on the use of ITA's advanced routing code feature can be found in the following long-standing Mileage Run Discussion threads:
You can sometimes see flights, fares and detailed fare rules that may not be reflected on an airline's website. Please read the thread for some tips and tricks, screen shots, etc.
A related thread, ITA-Matrix-PowerTools - Userscript for Orbitz/DL/UA/AA/BA/CZ/IB/LA/LH/LX/TK, discusses a user script which is maintained by fellow flyertalk members to enhance the already powerful Matrix of ITA Software by providing new features and booking links.
Additional details and tips on the use of ITA's advanced routing code feature can be found in the following long-standing Mileage Run Discussion threads:
ITA Software Matrix Airfare Search Consolidated Information and Help Thread
Jun 8, 2023, 1:20 pm
#2402
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AA is no longer publishing most discount fares to the GDS. See also Corporate travel is about to get harder: lower fares to be removed from legacy GDS
Google Flights and some other aggregators have NDC capabilities, but Matrix does not, and knowing Google, it never will.
The same problem exists for UA, but for much smaller dollar amounts.
Google Flights and some other aggregators have NDC capabilities, but Matrix does not, and knowing Google, it never will.
The same problem exists for UA, but for much smaller dollar amounts.
Jun 8, 2023, 1:26 pm
#2403
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AA is no longer publishing most discount fares to the GDS. See also Corporate travel is about to get harder: lower fares to be removed from legacy GDS
Google Flights and some other aggregators have NDC capabilities, but Matrix does not, and knowing Google, it never will.
The same problem exists for UA, but for much smaller dollar amounts.
Google Flights and some other aggregators have NDC capabilities, but Matrix does not, and knowing Google, it never will.
The same problem exists for UA, but for much smaller dollar amounts.
Jun 8, 2023, 2:13 pm
#2404
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: LAX
Posts: 3,639
good to know
AA is no longer publishing most discount fares to the GDS. See also Corporate travel is about to get harder: lower fares to be removed from legacy GDS
Google Flights and some other aggregators have NDC capabilities, but Matrix does not, and knowing Google, it never will.
The same problem exists for UA, but for much smaller dollar amounts.
Google Flights and some other aggregators have NDC capabilities, but Matrix does not, and knowing Google, it never will.
The same problem exists for UA, but for much smaller dollar amounts.
What is NDC?
Jun 8, 2023, 2:26 pm
#2405
Join Date: Aug 2015
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https://cteleport.com/blog/ndc-in-travel
Basically a way for the airline to sell tickets directly, without the GDS.
I always think of it as a direct API from the airline.
Basically a way for the airline to sell tickets directly, without the GDS.
I always think of it as a direct API from the airline.
Jun 8, 2023, 3:21 pm
#2406
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: LAX
Posts: 3,639
How to use NDC?
https://cteleport.com/blog/ndc-in-travel
Basically a way for the airline to sell tickets directly, without the GDS.
I always think of it as a direct API from the airline.
Basically a way for the airline to sell tickets directly, without the GDS.
I always think of it as a direct API from the airline.
Jun 9, 2023, 11:47 am
#2407
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Normal aggregators like Google Flights seem to support NDC, so it's not like WN where you can't see anything.
I don't know of any tool with the search power of Matrix though.
I don't know of any tool with the search power of Matrix though.
Jun 11, 2023, 11:35 am
#2408
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: LAX
Posts: 3,639
I don't know how to use Google Flights
FWIW I find a little useful information at skyscanner.com, especially the feature that lets you choose 'anywhere' for an endpoint.
Jun 14, 2023, 10:51 am
#2409
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 639
AA is no longer publishing most discount fares to the GDS. See also Corporate travel is about to get harder: lower fares to be removed from legacy GDS
Google Flights and some other aggregators have NDC capabilities, but Matrix does not, and knowing Google, it never will.
The same problem exists for UA, but for much smaller dollar amounts.
Google Flights and some other aggregators have NDC capabilities, but Matrix does not, and knowing Google, it never will.
The same problem exists for UA, but for much smaller dollar amounts.
Luckily expedia group has already NDC content, so you're able to book it there.
Jun 24, 2023, 8:40 pm
#2411
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AA is no longer publishing most discount fares to the GDS. See also Corporate travel is about to get harder: lower fares to be removed from legacy GDS
Google Flights and some other aggregators have NDC capabilities, but Matrix does not, and knowing Google, it never will.
The same problem exists for UA, but for much smaller dollar amounts.
Google Flights and some other aggregators have NDC capabilities, but Matrix does not, and knowing Google, it never will.
The same problem exists for UA, but for much smaller dollar amounts.
https://cteleport.com/blog/ndc-in-travel
Basically a way for the airline to sell tickets directly, without the GDS.
I always think of it as a direct API from the airline.
Basically a way for the airline to sell tickets directly, without the GDS.
I always think of it as a direct API from the airline.
NDC = New Distribution Capability
API = application programming interface
Jun 27, 2023, 6:13 pm
#2412
Join Date: Jan 2022
Posts: 23
Any news -- even rumor -- on whether ITA Matrix will be updated to include NDC data? I certainly hope so, as there is no viable alternative. Although Google Flights has NDC data, its search options pale in comparison, particularly when trying to use specific/complex routings.
Jun 28, 2023, 3:30 pm
#2413
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Any news -- even rumor -- on whether ITA Matrix will be updated to include NDC data? I certainly hope so, as there is no viable alternative. Although Google Flights has NDC data, its search options pale in comparison, particularly when trying to use specific/complex routings.
Jun 28, 2023, 6:09 pm
#2414
Join Date: Jan 2022
Posts: 23
Unfortunately, it's been quite a while since https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/members/ita-hacker.html has posted an update.
Jun 30, 2023, 10:45 pm
#2415
Join Date: Sep 2010
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wouldn’t be the first time I’ve seen a piece of “new, modern, redesigned” software experience regressions against something that was supposedly old and obsolete (and which kept working without issues).
