ITA Software Matrix Airfare Search Consolidated Information and Help Thread
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Jun 4, 22, 4:07 pm
#2296
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Splitting the post up into bits so that the reply is clearer:
1. This is not true. If you book an I class fare for (eg) AMS-LHR-JNB-LHR-AMS, the AMS-LHR and LHR-AMS flights will book in to J and the trip will price and be bookable even if I is closed on those flights.
2. This is not universally true, either. There are times when (say) D may have zero inventory but R will have some. It's rare, but it can happen.
3. If you specify F ~bc=D, then ITA will return itineraries that use J, C, R or I class fares (assuming that you have also restricted ITA to returning business class results). You have excluded only D class fares and nothing else. To get closer to what you want, you may want to try F bc=j|bc=c, which will include anything that uses a J class fare or a C class fare, but excludes every other kind of fare. (But see 1. above concerning the fact that individual flights may yet book into a different booking class even though the fare is a J class fare or a C class fare.)
Originally Posted by hugolover
1. I want it to return flights where only higher RBDs are open (in the case of fares, they match the RBD hence this command is OK).
2. For example in the context of say BA. Business inventory is J/C/D/R/I. If I is open, R is open, and up the chain. I want it to show me only flights where C is the lowest RBD available and exclude flights where D/R/I are closed.
3. Using the F ~bc=D& its not excluding RBDs that are closed, its just pricing the trip higher, just like if I were to ask for only C fares. My results are presenting flights where even I is open.
2. For example in the context of say BA. Business inventory is J/C/D/R/I. If I is open, R is open, and up the chain. I want it to show me only flights where C is the lowest RBD available and exclude flights where D/R/I are closed.
3. Using the F ~bc=D& its not excluding RBDs that are closed, its just pricing the trip higher, just like if I were to ask for only C fares. My results are presenting flights where even I is open.
2. This is not universally true, either. There are times when (say) D may have zero inventory but R will have some. It's rare, but it can happen.
3. If you specify F ~bc=D, then ITA will return itineraries that use J, C, R or I class fares (assuming that you have also restricted ITA to returning business class results). You have excluded only D class fares and nothing else. To get closer to what you want, you may want to try F bc=j|bc=c, which will include anything that uses a J class fare or a C class fare, but excludes every other kind of fare. (But see 1. above concerning the fact that individual flights may yet book into a different booking class even though the fare is a J class fare or a C class fare.)
Jun 4, 22, 4:26 pm
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That’s not what he wants though. Specifiying f bc just means you want to include or exclude fares. So if there’s availability in all booking classes, you would still include or exclude those booking classes (so if you remove the filter, the prices for the same dates would drop). But what he wants is to see dates where certain booking classes aren’t available for booking.
Jun 4, 22, 4:52 pm
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Originally Posted by ChocolateFactory
That’s not what he wants though. ... But what he wants is to see dates where certain booking classes aren’t available for booking.
I agree with you that it's not easily possible to do this on ITA.
If confined to a single airline (eg BA) and a reasonable simple routing, then the easiest approach is actually to start with ExpertFlyer to find out which flights have zero inventory in (say) D, R and I classes, and only then go to ITA to price the remaining acceptable flights (perhaps specifying the flight numbers of the acceptable flights).
Using ITA alone, one approach might be to use the individual flights option. For each part of the journey searched, there may be a discernible price break between (say) D class and C class. Then the cheaper flights can simply be ignored (or excluded in the next search), one of the acceptable flights chosen, and then the process repeated on the next screen for the next part of the journey. But this is likely to work well only on relatively simple itineraries with few true options on each screen.
What I don't understand - it may just be me being thick - is why a flight that is J9 C9 D0 R0 I0 would be acceptable when a flight that is J9 C9 D9 R9 I9 would be unacceptable. If they are prepared to pay a C class fare to get C class conditions, it's bookable on either flight. If that could be explained, then we might have some other bright ideas about how to search for the acceptable flights.
Jun 4, 22, 5:47 pm
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Originally Posted by hugolover
I'll try explaining it another way. I want it to return flights where only higher RBDs are open (in the case of fares, they match the RBD hence this command is OK).
Jun 4, 22, 6:45 pm
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Originally Posted by Globaliser
This is not true. If you book an I class fare for (eg) AMS-LHR-JNB-LHR-AMS, the AMS-LHR and LHR-AMS flights will book in to J and the trip will price and be bookable even if I is closed on those flights.
2. This is not universally true, either. There are times when (say) D may have zero inventory but R will have some. It's rare, but it can happen.
2. This is not universally true, either. There are times when (say) D may have zero inventory but R will have some. It's rare, but it can happen.
. Works that way on many carriers including LH Group, A segments and J feeder, Y feeder for F on LO, but in my case it's not relevant which is why I wrote that I dismissed it because the fare first letter matched the RBD.2) Again, possible and I was just giving an example of how inventory tends to be sold, I wasn't interested in anything below J or C actually.
From other replies it seems it's not possible, which is fair enough, probably no one would want it so far.
I'll just stick to the old fashioned and time consuming way of checking each flight. Never mind, thanks for all the replies.
Jun 5, 22, 1:07 am
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You don’t have to check each flight.
SN Booking in specific booking class
Basically you just use filters to make sure only the flights you’re interested in will show up (e.g. specifying “BA+”).
Then you go to the calendar view and click on the days with higher prices until you find the booking class you want. That’s it.
SN Booking in specific booking class
Basically you just use filters to make sure only the flights you’re interested in will show up (e.g. specifying “BA+”).
Then you go to the calendar view and click on the days with higher prices until you find the booking class you want. That’s it.
Jun 7, 22, 6:02 pm
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Originally Posted by jh321
Hello, I'm really hoping someone can help me with a search - I was sort of ok before Covid, but I'm out of practice and struggling to read the guides for this. If anyone can help me with how I can set it up so I can look for best fares I'd be so grateful!. The parts that are hard are that I want to fly BA (or AA now), with a BA GUF, paying for Premium Econ but upgrading to Business with the GUF. So I need to look for availability in the upgraded cabin, but price the PE (I assume that's two separate searches). So I think this is the hard part, what code do I need to show 'upgradeable' PE?
Jun 10, 22, 12:04 pm
#2303
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How to find 2+ legs in BC for European flights
I probably need 1 (U)XP-run at end of year in BC with 2 legs or more, preferably in Europe. How would I instruct https://partnerdash.google.com/apps/matrix/search to search for just that? It doesn't seem possible. Any ideas? Or maybe an idea for a different tool?
Jun 21, 22, 3:36 pm
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Originally Posted by SugoiHikouki
I appreciate the effort to modernize ITA Matrix so that it can be kept around (instead of killed off like other Google products in the past). I do hope these issues can be worked through and improved upon.
FWIW I'm running into an issue on the frontend that makes it unusable for me. I'd enter a single origin and destination, enable advanced options. When I fill in all the routing and extension code fields, and then pick something that isn't "This day only" for both dates, advanced options will auto close and wipe out all of my advanced input. I hope this is something that can be fixed because it is pretty difficult to use in the current state.
FWIW I'm running into an issue on the frontend that makes it unusable for me. I'd enter a single origin and destination, enable advanced options. When I fill in all the routing and extension code fields, and then pick something that isn't "This day only" for both dates, advanced options will auto close and wipe out all of my advanced input. I hope this is something that can be fixed because it is pretty difficult to use in the current state.
Jun 22, 22, 9:54 am
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Originally Posted by SugoiHikouki
Hi, this issue still exists and may have fallen off the radar. I've since made a screen recording of this issue:
Originally Posted by Zorak
ITA Hacker there is still a really bizarre UI bug in the new interface, which I am pretty sure I reported via the feedback link, but posting about it again here on FT to boost the signal since it has been at least a few months.
Steps to reproduce, starting from a clean slate:
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Steps to reproduce, starting from a clean slate:
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@ITA Hacker any help here? I hope this gets fixed before oldmatrix gets shut down for good...
Jul 14, 22, 9:41 am
#2308
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Originally Posted by dinoscool3
Is there any way to filter out LGT fares on UA/*A? I tried doing f ~..-LGT but it just whirls and never loads. Any other ideas?
Jul 14, 22, 9:44 am
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Originally Posted by ITA Hacker
I tried this and it seems to work -- I get results back, and none of the UA itineraries use -LGT fares. Can you provide a more-specific recipe to reproduce this?
Jul 18, 22, 5:49 am
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Originally Posted by IAkH
[0.55.4] - 2022-06-30
Edited by IAkH- fixed Turkish Airlines link (unfortunately, they no longer appear to have a deeplink despite its name)
- added GotoGate and FlightHub links
None of the other sites that the powertools pump the data through to actually come up with the price ITA Matrix quotes.
So the question is, does the ITA Matrix software actually check flights that are live and available, or could it be that they are flights that are already full ??
Sorry if this is a nooby question, but it's a powerful site that is not much use if the theory can't be converted into a ticket.
