Award booking services - a list and some reviews
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Nov 2, 12, 7:53 pm
#91
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: NYC
Programs: AA EXP, COdbaUA 1K, Hyatt Plt, Hilton GLD, SPG Plat50, Marriott Gld, Hertz PC, NEXUS/GE
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Originally Posted by yerffej201
I think this falls under MilesBuzz right?
I'm just interested in how they work. So they take your account and book for you? Aren't there privacy issues?
I'm just interested in how they work. So they take your account and book for you? Aren't there privacy issues?
This would eliminate some, but not all of the problems that lead people to seek out award booking services in the first place.
Originally Posted by yerffej201
And, also considering most services operate blogs, isn't their service the exact opposite of what their blogs attempt to provide?
Nov 2, 12, 8:05 pm
#92
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: ATL, but want to Expatriate to SE Asia ASAP
Programs: AS MVP Gold, Choice Plat & Hilton+SPG Gold, UA, BA...Etc
Posts: 795
Originally Posted by FlyerChrisK
Outside of your name, you could hand a summary of your account balances to a booking service and they could give the flights with the award inventory you're interested in, leaving it up to you to actually call the airline and book.
This would eliminate some, but not all of the problems that lead people to seek out award booking services in the first place.
This would eliminate some, but not all of the problems that lead people to seek out award booking services in the first place.
I have had several clients who wanted help finding space on flights that would get them where they wanted to go in Business or First Class.
I help find that space and when it opens up they call the airlines to book the tickets based on the instructions and info I give them as they weren't comfortable handing over their account login credentials. We do all the hard work and you just call and book the ticket!
Secondly sending your current miles/points account balances lets us know not only where to start looking but also we can help you get points you may lack for a booking.
This is not limited to credit cards as their are lots of other ways to get miles and points!
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Nov 2, 12, 8:10 pm
#93
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 266
I just dont get why people are paying a high amount of fees ($100-$150) for such simple mouse clicks and searches. Is it really hard to learn all the tricks? From my point of view, they are easy like baby steps. If you do not have search tools like them, just sign up for expertflyer site or buy some special searching tools advertised here on FT. Besides, you are safe with your private information. It is much better with the idea "they can do it, you can do it too". Your personal information is important and think carefully before giving it to a random dude on the internet. You never know what they are going to do with that information. Oh well, this is my opinion and correct me if you have good views on this.
Nov 2, 12, 8:39 pm
#94
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: NYC
Programs: AA EXP, COdbaUA 1K, Hyatt Plt, Hilton GLD, SPG Plat50, Marriott Gld, Hertz PC, NEXUS/GE
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Originally Posted by nature1370
I just dont get why people are paying a high amount of fees ($100-$150) for such simple mouse clicks and searches. Is it really hard to learn all the tricks? From my point of view, they are easy like baby steps.
I typically spend several hours to find award inventory and build an award trip (note, I don't run a booking service, so I'm speaking of what I've done for myself and assisted friends on). At the prices many award booking services run, this almost certainly undervalues my time (if not for the fun this hobby provides me). For those uninterested in the intricacies of award inventory, $100-150 sounds pretty cheap.
Originally Posted by nature1370
If you do not have search tools like them, just sign up for expertflyer site or buy some special searching tools advertised here on FT.
Nov 2, 12, 9:20 pm
#95
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: SF Bay Area
Programs: SPG Platinum, Marriott Platinum, PC Platinum, Hyatt Platinum
Posts: 317
Originally Posted by nature1370
I just dont get why people are paying a high amount of fees ($100-$150) for such simple mouse clicks and searches. Is it really hard to learn all the tricks? From my point of view, they are easy like baby steps. If you do not have search tools like them, just sign up for expertflyer site or buy some special searching tools advertised here on FT. Besides, you are safe with your private information. It is much better with the idea "they can do it, you can do it too". Your personal information is important and think carefully before giving it to a random dude on the internet. You never know what they are going to do with that information. Oh well, this is my opinion and correct me if you have good views on this.
Nov 2, 12, 10:07 pm
#96
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 1,338
Depends on the ticket, really. If it can be serviced by a single airline and to a common city, it's probably not _really_ needed, you can generally figure those out with some well published quirks here.
A multi-stop, stopover, multi-airline, or open-jaw mini-RTW with lots of date restrictions/freedoms? You know, the kind you have to call in multiple times? Yeah, outsource that one.
A multi-stop, stopover, multi-airline, or open-jaw mini-RTW with lots of date restrictions/freedoms? You know, the kind you have to call in multiple times? Yeah, outsource that one.
Nov 2, 12, 10:08 pm
#97
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: In CT,left my heart in Leicester.
Programs: Work in progress.
Posts: 1,237
Originally Posted by nature1370
I just dont get why people are paying a high amount of fees ($100-$150) for such simple mouse clicks and searches. Is it really hard to learn all the tricks? From my point of view, they are easy like baby steps.
Now I'm not talking about a simple EWR-BDL flight.
I'm talking about a BDL-EWR-LHR-BOM-EWR-BDL partly in Business, partly in Economy and partly in First Class.
And heck even that seems a little simple to me... But when I first started out a few months ago, it seemed insane why I couldn't find any availability on UA when doing a multi-city search.
It seemed insane when ANA wouldn't allow me to do *A searches if I didn't have ANA miles (had to use a script to get around that, courtesy Wandering Aramean)
But slowly and steadily I got the hang of it. With many thanks to the multitide of excellent people here who helped me.
Now compare this with my father. He has points that he got from cc sign-ups and from flying internationally on various airlines now and then. Most of this is beyond his ability. He's a smart man but this is just not his cup of tea. So I do the booking/searching for him.
Similarly people find that paying someone $100-$150 for really complicated itineraries is totally worth it. It's not about being lazy, it's about convenience.
Some of the really good award booking people know tricks that I don't.So when I have a couple of hundred thousand points with UA, AA, BA, etc, for a convulted itinerary I may find it worth my while just paying $150 to have them search the best route and get the best use of my points.
But that's my opinion.
Nov 2, 12, 10:29 pm
#98
Join Date: May 2008
Location: PHL (kinda, no airport is really close)
Programs: AA Gold but aiming for Plat Pro. Enterprise Platinum though, woo-hoo!
Posts: 2,685
Over the past two years, booking three trips for my wife to Europe (summer 2011, 2012, 2013) I made a lot of mistakes, and did a lot of learning. I mostly know what I'm doing now, but it was a long slow error-filled process.
I think I went from where I knew 20% of what there is to know, to probably 80%. My wife asked me to show her sometime what I learned, and I realized I could, but it would be so filled with exceptions and one-off knowledge (Lufthansa does not release F space to partners until 2 weeks, Tarom doesn't post availability until 9-10 months ahead, US shows no partner space on their website, DL shows only AF and KL, United shows all, BA has huge surcharges through LHR but AA doesn't) that I really had invested a lot of time and effort. I'm pretty comfortable that the booking services earn their pay, and that a LOT of people would be much happier leveraging their knowledge than trying to acquire it on their own.
I think I went from where I knew 20% of what there is to know, to probably 80%. My wife asked me to show her sometime what I learned, and I realized I could, but it would be so filled with exceptions and one-off knowledge (Lufthansa does not release F space to partners until 2 weeks, Tarom doesn't post availability until 9-10 months ahead, US shows no partner space on their website, DL shows only AF and KL, United shows all, BA has huge surcharges through LHR but AA doesn't) that I really had invested a lot of time and effort. I'm pretty comfortable that the booking services earn their pay, and that a LOT of people would be much happier leveraging their knowledge than trying to acquire it on their own.
Nov 2, 12, 11:50 pm
#99
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: PSP
Programs: AA Executive Platinum, United
Posts: 1,078
Here is a link to a previous thread on award booking services...http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trave...ices-list.html
Nov 3, 12, 12:25 am
#100
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Australia
Programs: NZ *G
Posts: 5,298
...and others don't "get" why anyone would pay someone else for such simple "baby steps" things as interior/exterior painting, landscaping, meal preparation etc etc..
we are all different... and have different skills and experience....
You may think booking awards is terribly simple... I would bet that many folks do not find it so at all... and given the work/time I have spent on my own award "prep"... I agree that $100-$150 sounds quite reasonable for a complex itin....
Given my hourly rate of pay I should actually NEVER spend the time to research/book awards myself! I imagine that applies to a LOT of folks here
(I tend to enjoy the process so that has its own reward...and again, I imagine many other folks here feel the same)
we are all different... and have different skills and experience....
You may think booking awards is terribly simple... I would bet that many folks do not find it so at all... and given the work/time I have spent on my own award "prep"... I agree that $100-$150 sounds quite reasonable for a complex itin....
Given my hourly rate of pay I should actually NEVER spend the time to research/book awards myself! I imagine that applies to a LOT of folks here
(I tend to enjoy the process so that has its own reward...and again, I imagine many other folks here feel the same)
Nov 3, 12, 12:44 am
#101
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 5,712
Originally Posted by jatink129
For some people who've done their share of research and reading, it may seem like baby steps but for others it may seem very intimidating.
Now I'm not talking about a simple EWR-BDL flight.
I'm talking about a BDL-EWR-LHR-BOM-EWR-BDL partly in Business, partly in Economy and partly in First Class.
And heck even that seems a little simple to me... But when I first started out a few months ago, it seemed insane why I couldn't find any availability on UA when doing a multi-city search.
It seemed insane when ANA wouldn't allow me to do *A searches if I didn't have ANA miles (had to use a script to get around that, courtesy Wandering Aramean)
But slowly and steadily I got the hang of it. With many thanks to the multitide of excellent people here who helped me.
Now compare this with my father. He has points that he got from cc sign-ups and from flying internationally on various airlines now and then. Most of this is beyond his ability. He's a smart man but this is just not his cup of tea. So I do the booking/searching for him.
Similarly people find that paying someone $100-$150 for really complicated itineraries is totally worth it. It's not about being lazy, it's about convenience.
Some of the really good award booking people know tricks that I don't.So when I have a couple of hundred thousand points with UA, AA, BA, etc, for a convulted itinerary I may find it worth my while just paying $150 to have them search the best route and get the best use of my points.
But that's my opinion.
Now I'm not talking about a simple EWR-BDL flight.
I'm talking about a BDL-EWR-LHR-BOM-EWR-BDL partly in Business, partly in Economy and partly in First Class.
And heck even that seems a little simple to me... But when I first started out a few months ago, it seemed insane why I couldn't find any availability on UA when doing a multi-city search.
It seemed insane when ANA wouldn't allow me to do *A searches if I didn't have ANA miles (had to use a script to get around that, courtesy Wandering Aramean)
But slowly and steadily I got the hang of it. With many thanks to the multitide of excellent people here who helped me.
Now compare this with my father. He has points that he got from cc sign-ups and from flying internationally on various airlines now and then. Most of this is beyond his ability. He's a smart man but this is just not his cup of tea. So I do the booking/searching for him.
Similarly people find that paying someone $100-$150 for really complicated itineraries is totally worth it. It's not about being lazy, it's about convenience.
Some of the really good award booking people know tricks that I don't.So when I have a couple of hundred thousand points with UA, AA, BA, etc, for a convulted itinerary I may find it worth my while just paying $150 to have them search the best route and get the best use of my points.
But that's my opinion.
Originally Posted by pssteve
Here is a link to a previous thread on award booking services...http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trave...ices-list.html
Originally Posted by nature1370
I just dont get why people are paying a high amount of fees ($100-$150) for such simple mouse clicks and searches. Is it really hard to learn all the tricks? From my point of view, they are easy like baby steps. If you do not have search tools like them, just sign up for expertflyer site or buy some special searching tools advertised here on FT. Besides, you are safe with your private information. It is much better with the idea "they can do it, you can do it too". Your personal information is important and think carefully before giving it to a random dude on the internet. You never know what they are going to do with that information. Oh well, this is my opinion and correct me if you have good views on this.
I mean it just feels like I'm missing something. Maybe it's the way they blog about. Like I'm pretty sure I'm as knowledgeable as most of the bloggers. I don't mean to be hypocritical, but for a simple RT YVR-HKG,
you plug TPAC routes +/- 4 days and watch results:
LAX/SFO/SEA/YVR-ICN/HKG/NRT
There ain't anything in J in the next two weeks!
And then OW F:
YVR/ORD/SFO/LAX-NRT/HKG
Nothing, nothing nothing (on the dates I want)!
And that took 1.5 hours of combing through EF, NH, JL, BA, and awardnexus.
Nov 3, 12, 1:24 am
#102
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: EZE
Posts: 123
As the proprietor of one of the largest Award Booking Services, I wanted to say a few things. First, to OP's concerns:
For most awards, I need the following info: full legal names, gender, birthdays, account info and pin/pw. For AA awards, I don't even need account info, gender, or birthday.
Then I put an award on hold, and you book it with your own credit card. In some situations, it is not possible to put an award on hold. In those cases, you can choose between giving me the credit card info by phone, which I shred afterwards, or calling in to book the award yourself with step-by-step written instructions.
Now, to the value proposition:
At $149 for two passengers on one award, my price, almost everyone gets incredible value from a good award booking service.
First, it will save you tons of time. Any time you have to get into a phone call with the awfully-trained agents of a few airlines, you are staring at an hour. What do you value your time at?
Second, it will save you taxes and fees. My personal record is saving two people almost $2,000. In many cases, I will save $50 in phone fees by using phone-ticketing tricks.
Third, you can add free oneways and extra legs. You may know the rules for all airlines in this regard. We do.
Four, you will not have to think about which of your 5 types of miles/points is best for the job.
If you just want a domestic oneway on United, an award booking service would be a waste of your money. But if you want anything with any complexity, and you aren't a complete expert yourself, you will get good value.
Finally OP made another interesting point: "And, also considering most services operate blogs, isn't their service the exact opposite of what their blogs attempt to provide?"
The short answer is yes, which is very interesting for me to ponder. If you read and understood every post on my blog, you would basically have the same award-booking acumen I do. I am giving away for free what I charge for. I can't think of other businesses that do that.
Altruistic reason: the main purpose of milevalue.com is not profit.
Selfish reason: It turns out to be a successful strategy because it advertises my acumen and draws in more potential customers.
For most awards, I need the following info: full legal names, gender, birthdays, account info and pin/pw. For AA awards, I don't even need account info, gender, or birthday.
Then I put an award on hold, and you book it with your own credit card. In some situations, it is not possible to put an award on hold. In those cases, you can choose between giving me the credit card info by phone, which I shred afterwards, or calling in to book the award yourself with step-by-step written instructions.
Now, to the value proposition:
At $149 for two passengers on one award, my price, almost everyone gets incredible value from a good award booking service.
First, it will save you tons of time. Any time you have to get into a phone call with the awfully-trained agents of a few airlines, you are staring at an hour. What do you value your time at?
Second, it will save you taxes and fees. My personal record is saving two people almost $2,000. In many cases, I will save $50 in phone fees by using phone-ticketing tricks.
Third, you can add free oneways and extra legs. You may know the rules for all airlines in this regard. We do.
Four, you will not have to think about which of your 5 types of miles/points is best for the job.
If you just want a domestic oneway on United, an award booking service would be a waste of your money. But if you want anything with any complexity, and you aren't a complete expert yourself, you will get good value.
Finally OP made another interesting point: "And, also considering most services operate blogs, isn't their service the exact opposite of what their blogs attempt to provide?"
The short answer is yes, which is very interesting for me to ponder. If you read and understood every post on my blog, you would basically have the same award-booking acumen I do. I am giving away for free what I charge for. I can't think of other businesses that do that.
Altruistic reason: the main purpose of milevalue.com is not profit.
Selfish reason: It turns out to be a successful strategy because it advertises my acumen and draws in more potential customers.
Nov 3, 12, 9:42 am
#103
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: MSP
Programs: DL Silver, UA Silver, AMX Plat, Carlson Gold, SPG Gold
Posts: 186
I tried using Ben's service earlier this year. Very poor customer contact experience from an associate of his. No reply to my emails after the initial inquiry. I canceled my request and still received no reply or contact.
I like his blog, but the award booking service needs attention.
I tried contacting Ben but got someone who was working with him (Ben was on the road) and unfortunately he wasn't too helpful and could only find me business class seats so I tried awardtravelconsulting and he was much more capable of finding the seats I wanted.
In the past I used Cranky Concierge who found the seats but I did the booking myself. Now I'm fairly knowledgeable to do this myself but sometimes you just don't have the time to do so and it is nice to have a resource willing and able to do it for you. awardtravelconsulting.com did a nice job for me in finding seats others said weren't available and I would definitely use them again.
I like his blog, but the award booking service needs attention.
Originally Posted by richinaz
I tried contacting Ben but got someone who was working with him (Ben was on the road) and unfortunately he wasn't too helpful and could only find me business class seats so I tried awardtravelconsulting and he was much more capable of finding the seats I wanted.
In the past I used Cranky Concierge who found the seats but I did the booking myself. Now I'm fairly knowledgeable to do this myself but sometimes you just don't have the time to do so and it is nice to have a resource willing and able to do it for you. awardtravelconsulting.com did a nice job for me in finding seats others said weren't available and I would definitely use them again.
Nov 3, 12, 11:30 am
#104
Join Date: Oct 2012
Programs: Club Carlson, Hyatt, National, Le Club Accor,
Posts: 34
There's great feedback here from travel booking services. I don't even have a big profile, but I do my family's big bookings and I save them a bunch of $. They know me and trust me so there's some security in that. I think when you go to some small time bookies, you should approach it in a defensive way. Get phone numbers, email addresses, business locations, names, etc. When I do deal with new customers, I'll get passwords and plans that most (and now credit card in is so easily stored on these sites so its especially vulnerable) people want to protect zealously.
Basic things I need to do is set up a general profile so I can organize my clients info very fast. Then, I use my frequent flyer resources to help my clients maximize their trips going forward, promos, proper churning, and savings strategies.
Recent one I enjoyed for myself was hitting Hyatt Diamond status which I used to book a 7 night executive suite at a Hyatt regency @ $135/night inclusive of regency club twice daily/hours dervs all day.
PM anyone if you have any questions or if you're someone who needs a award booking consultant!!
Basic things I need to do is set up a general profile so I can organize my clients info very fast. Then, I use my frequent flyer resources to help my clients maximize their trips going forward, promos, proper churning, and savings strategies.
Recent one I enjoyed for myself was hitting Hyatt Diamond status which I used to book a 7 night executive suite at a Hyatt regency @ $135/night inclusive of regency club twice daily/hours dervs all day.
PM anyone if you have any questions or if you're someone who needs a award booking consultant!!
Last edited by A2Zombie; Nov 3, 12 at 11:33 am Reason: typos
Nov 3, 12, 11:41 am
#105
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 865
I wasn't aware this existed. I recently burned 4+ hours booking my family vacation to Hawaii in 1st. My issue was the hop from Honolulu to Maui. I would have happily paid someone $100 to $150 to do that work for me.
I think it comes down to how much you value your time. The flip side is that someone who is an expert at this can probably do it in under an hour. I I value my time at $50 an hour and it takes me four hours to do this I can end up a net $50 better off hiring someone. If that person's time is also worth $50 an hour and they can do the job in an hour they end up $100 better off. Everyone wins. I'm having flashbacks to my Economics 101 course many years ago.
I think it comes down to how much you value your time. The flip side is that someone who is an expert at this can probably do it in under an hour. I I value my time at $50 an hour and it takes me four hours to do this I can end up a net $50 better off hiring someone. If that person's time is also worth $50 an hour and they can do the job in an hour they end up $100 better off. Everyone wins. I'm having flashbacks to my Economics 101 course many years ago.
