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Originally Posted by jg70124
(Post 11259979)
Actually, the BB uses only a fraction of the data that the iPhone does - both because it uses data much more efficiently, and because it actually downloads messages to the device while the iPhone doesn't. So if you want to read a message again later on the BB, you don't use more data; on the iPhone whenever you read a message or search through headers, it has to use data again.
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Originally Posted by bdjohns1
(Post 11260020)
:rolleyes:
* I can type faster on my iPhone than I could on my Blackjack. Not having to fully depress a key means a lighter touch, meaning more speed. I've never timed myself formally, but if I'm typing two-thumbed, I'm probably 25% faster on the iPhone. * Replaceable batteries? Yes, my Blackjack came with two batteries, which meant I had to cart around the battery, the external battery charger, and a wall wart to charge, because the dumba--es at Samsung didn't let the battery charger work using the USB cable. If you need more juice in a day, you use an external pack. If your battery wears out after a year and a half of heavy use, you crack open the effing case and replace it, just like the iPod. I still have an iPod 3G from 2003 that's in good working order thanks to a couple generations of new batteries, as opposed to taking up landfill space. * Dropped calls? Funny, my iPhone does a hell of a lot better than the BJ in that regard, and it's light-years ahead of my Treo, which didn't even ring reliably. * MMS? ...? Just an excuse for the carriers to scam more money off people. Let's charge $0.50 to send a crappy low-res pic. I'm glad Apple doesn't have MMS, because maybe other manufacturers will follow their lead, and we'll be able to kill the damn things off. (That said, if you want MMS, there's a jailbreak app to do it) * On the topic of jailbreaking - not to be too much of an a-hole, but if you think that jailbreaking the phone even reaches the "effort level" of hacking, you should go back to using Microsoft Bob and drinking apple juice from a sippy cup. Plugging the phone in and running a program while pushing a button or two isn't hacking. Getting root access on a current-generation Tivo (which requires a soldering iron and Linux chops) is hacking. The jailbreak isn't. Is Apple stupid for making us jailbreak? Sure, it's a dumb move on their part. But it's not hard to work around it. It's about as much a barrier as the French military poses when the German army gets bored and needs to invade someone. Oh, and let me know when useful apps like Evernote get a native Blackberry version. |
Originally Posted by elCheapoDeluxe
(Post 11260046)
Who's talking about Blackjack?
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Originally Posted by bdjohns1
(Post 11260071)
Physical keyboard versus on-screen. I've owned a Blackjack, a Treo, and and HTC previously, and I've typed on a Blackberry. iPhone wins hands down for speed and accuracy.
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Originally Posted by elCheapoDeluxe
(Post 11260080)
We can forget about the WinMo devices. I've owned a Tilt and it was a total POC. No argument there! I've typed on an ipod touch (same screen, same touch mechanism), and I find it really hard to believe it surpasses my Bold. Which blackberry have you typed on?
I will say that the iPhone keyboard takes some getting used to. The trick is to not worry about typos initially - more often than not, it knows what you meant to type. I've had words where I was off by 1 key on 4 of 7 letters and it guessed right. |
Originally Posted by jg70124
(Post 11259979)
Actually, the BB uses only a fraction of the data that the iPhone does - both because it uses data much more efficiently, and because it actually downloads messages to the device while the iPhone doesn't. So if you want to read a message again later on the BB, you don't use more data; on the iPhone whenever you read a message or search through headers, it has to use data again.
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Wirelessly posted (BlackBerry9000/4.6.0.167 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/102)
Yes, that is absolutely, positively false. For an accurate description of why the iphone uses bandwidth so much less efficiently, look one post down. |
Originally Posted by elCheapoDeluxe
(Post 11261290)
Wirelessly posted (BlackBerry9000/4.6.0.167 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/102)Yes, that is absolutely, positively false. For an accurate description of why the iphone uses bandwidth so much less efficiently, look one post down.
and my post was referring to the claim that the iphone has to use data to read email that has already been downloaded. that's false. |
I've heard the argument so many times about bandwith efficiency, that it is hard for me to give this one so easily. Let me ask some questions.
My understanding was that with visual voicemail the sound file that corresponds to the message was downloaded to the machine in the background. Is this correct? Can you tell an iPhone to download the header and the first couple lines of an e-mail sans attachment? When roaming on a Nokia device with Mail for Exchange, this is the only way I stay within my 20 meg abroad limit. How does the Apple push arrangement different from wireless activesync. I've heard many people say that they licensed the technology from Microsoft. Obviously, this is partly true -- you can use Outlook with Mobile Me as an Exchange Server and the new version of Apple Server can handle Microsoft Push E-mail. That, however, does not answer the question of whether Apple uses a proprietary format for Apple to Apple Communications. If so, does this data efficiency work when you are connected to an Exchange Server (2003 or 2007)? One of the problems that occurs when roaming is that most carriers round to the kilobyte. I am not sure what the rounding mechanism is, but assume for the sake of argument that during the course of a day your machine pings/polls the server 200 times checking on the status of mail, but the amount of data that goes through the air is an actuality under 1 kilobyte. How much data are you billed? I don't think that the Blackberry is the best PDA in town, but the international blackberry plans seem compelling (particularly as the BB has become more robust). I can't see how the carriers can continue the no caps on device data under these circumstances. A Storm roaming abroad can suck down as much data as iPhone. With the exception of some on network roaming plans (e.g. 3 like home), I just don't see how carriers can afford to allow this to happen. |
Originally Posted by bdjohns1
(Post 11260029)
Wrong. I can read e-mail on my iPhone while in airplane mode.
Originally Posted by pdxer
(Post 11260332)
totally false.
Originally Posted by elCheapoDeluxe
(Post 11261290)
Yes, that is absolutely, positively false. For an accurate description of why the iphone uses bandwidth so much less efficiently, look one post down.
I tried an iPhone last year, and had trouble seeing emails when in airplane mode. I could swear I saw a posting somewhere that said the iPhone doesn't store emails locally, but I can't find it now. So maybe there was something else wrong. (In the end, I did not keep the iphone - for me, it was too much fun, not enough business tool). |
I use the bold and am very happy with it. Screen is beautiful, easiest phone out there if you type often. Some people get used to the iPhone's touchscreen, but some don't. Blackberry/ATT has much better international packages for now.
My only beefs with the Bold: Browser, while much better than older Bbry browsers, is inferior to the iphone's. Battery life leaves something to be desired, especially if using 3G data heavily. I was used to the long battery life on my curve and took some adjusting to get used to the Bolds noticeably shorter life. Wifi is great when it works, but can be a ..... to make work with hotel networks and others which require login. You will be happy with either phone, I would say go to the store and handle both of them and see what works for you. good luck! |
Originally Posted by pdxer
(Post 11261426)
are you referring to polling for email? the iphone supports both polling and push email. with push, the host pings the device to alert it that there's new email. that's about as efficient as it gets.
and my post was referring to the claim that the iphone has to use data to read email that has already been downloaded. that's false. |
Originally Posted by elCheapoDeluxe
(Post 11266430)
Even when using Activesync it is STILL less efficient - which can really add up w/ international data roaming rates.
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Originally Posted by pdxer
(Post 11266543)
less efficient how? there's no data usage until there's a push for a new email.
1) the Activesync protocol requires the phone to regularly contact the Activesync server to initialize a connection 2) Activesync relies on TCP (and in particular HTTP) protocols which are not optimized for wireless transfer. 3) the Activesync protocol is less efficient in terms of general compression and attachment transfer (please read the linked PDF. I don't want to go over this again when it has already been posted) |
Originally Posted by elCheapoDeluxe
(Post 11266550)
1) the Activesync protocol requires the phone to regularly contact the Activesync server to initialize a connection
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