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potfish Jul 28, 2008 3:00 am

Strangely I managed to survive 4 weeks in China and Tibet without anyone hacking my stuff, and without taking any more precautions than I'd take travelling closer to home. You're a paranoid lot.

HeathrowGuy Jul 28, 2008 8:01 am


Originally Posted by ScottC (Post 10105381)
I agree, and I'm curious where all this suspicion of the Chinese comes from. If I were traveling with sensitive data, I wouldn't trust the Chinese more or less than any other government.

Industrial espionage is everywhere, but I think most of it is done remotely and not by secret agents trying to infiltrate your hotel room.

For the time being, the Chinese are far more aggressive in engaging in industrial espionage and efforts to purvey restricted technologies than any other nation on the planet. The Chinese security services have the will, the manpower, the resources, the know-how, and the freedom to mount pervasive information collection efforts, and they do just that against Western businesses and businessmen all the time, located both in China and indeed around the world.

HeathrowGuy Jul 28, 2008 8:02 am


Originally Posted by potfish (Post 10106665)
Strangely I managed to survive 4 weeks in China and Tibet without anyone hacking my stuff, and without taking any more precautions than I'd take travelling closer to home. You're a paranoid lot.

In fairness, there are some people in and around these parts who currently or formerly had to spend a great deal of time and attention to this and related issues, and I can assure you the "paranoia" is well-founded and indeed very reasonable.

KMHT FF Jul 28, 2008 11:23 am


Originally Posted by HeathrowGuy (Post 10107444)
For the time being, the Chinese are far more aggressive in engaging in industrial espionage and efforts to purvey restricted technologies than any other nation on the planet. The Chinese security services have the will, the manpower, the resources, the know-how, and the freedom to mount pervasive information collection efforts, and they do just that against Western businesses and businessmen all the time, located both in China and indeed around the world.

:rolleyes:

Tom Clancy called.

He said he wants to know how you got a copy of his latest draft.

brain615 Aug 2, 2008 5:00 pm


Originally Posted by ClueByFour (Post 10102182)
Nothing a hood won't solve. Unless you think they've got the bedsheets themselves wired with fiber optic cameras.

Thats definitely a good idea

brain615 Aug 2, 2008 5:01 pm


Originally Posted by able (Post 10102450)
If you really want a secure laptop have your IT people set you up with a VPN connection to a remote machine and use your laptop as a terminal to manipulate the other machine.

I am able to access my work network through a VPN authenticated by a SecurID - but I guess that still leaves whatever is on my machine vulnerable to the types of attacks others have mentioned

brain615 Aug 2, 2008 5:04 pm


Originally Posted by mikey1003 (Post 10104349)
He also opens a throw away email acct that becomes the only one he uses when there..Has all mail forwarded to throw-away.

This idea is brilliant - I will definitely do this. I was going to pretty much forgo accessing any personal accounts/email while over there, but doing that should make it safe (enough)


Originally Posted by mikey1003 (Post 10104349)
As has been said many times in news...Nothing is secure in China.

Yea, I guess the overall answer is going to be leaving behind any non-essential tech at home, making sure the stuff I do bring is as secure as I can make it, and as much as possible not letting anything with a microchip in it out of my sight

Dubai Stu Aug 2, 2008 7:49 pm

I just received a memo from our legal department indicating that China was one of the countries where it was illegal to carry an encrypted notebook into. We were told to use a clean harddrive for China trips. I don't know how true it is.

The implication was that this ban was from China -- not the US bar on exportation of encryption

ClueByFour Aug 2, 2008 10:06 pm


Originally Posted by Dubai Stu (Post 10140143)
I just received a memo from our legal department indicating that China was one of the countries where it was illegal to carry an encrypted notebook into. We were told to use a clean harddrive for China trips. I don't know how true it is.

The implication was that this ban was from China -- not the US bar on exportation of encryption

This is kind of true. This is my understanding:

The Chinese, in theory, want to be able to keep Chinese nationals from using encryption. They are much more lenient with foreign nationals, particularly those working for large corporations with a presence in China.

What they reserve the right to do is ask you (or your company, more specifically) for keys on demand. My firm does over $2 billion USD/year in China. They've never asked. If they did, or if we are unable to conduct business because of a restriction like that, we'd leave China, and they know it. I suspect this helps somewhat.

As a practical matter, the level to which the Chinese will work with a particular company is usually directly related to the amount of business a company brings to China. They've cleared us for strong encryption (network and disk based) as well as backhauling internet access out of China (and thus bypassing the "Great Firewall") for quite some time, but we are growing like a weed there. We also don't let nonprofessionals access the internet, so I guess they figure it's fewer minds being polluted with the uncensored version of the internet...


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