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xeguy Dec 30, 2007 5:19 pm


Originally Posted by opus17 (Post 8974984)
I wonder how many people disable the wireless networking and/or bluetooth on their laptop computers during a flight (I always disable mine at the gate, before boarding, in case I want to use the computer)? Same issue, isn't it?

I will to conserve battery life on my computer. I haven't checked the numbers, but I think the power output of wireless adapters is generally lower than that of cell phones.

Dubai Stu Dec 30, 2007 10:03 pm

My wifi has a mechanical switch to flip on and off in the front of the computer. I flip it off on the plane.

That said, in flight wifi uses 802.11 and both the US FAA and its European counterpart have determined that the use of wifi in flight doesn't harm the navigation system on the plane.

denverhockeyguy Dec 30, 2007 10:20 pm

The hard switch for WiFi/Bluetooth is great. You'll drain your battery fast with those services enabled in-flight constantly scanning for networks. Same pain as leaving the cell-phone on. I'm more worried about hurting my own devices (dead battery) than something on the plane.

I'm not sure of any laptops that don't have a hard switch to disable the antenna. I know IBM, Dell, Sony, Toshiba, etc. all have them.

mikem132 Jan 1, 2008 8:16 am

Not sure, but I read the iPhone is sort of unique in that you cannot can't turn off the radio completely? This was from some article about wifi on a plane, so maybe what I am remembering is wrong and that you can't turn on wifi without the cell being on, too. I have use my old Treo (don't have anymore) on AA in "flight mode" and nobody said anything. I did have AA ask me about a small Creative Zen Nano (just an mp3 player) and they made a bigger deal than I thought they would only because it had an FM radio receiver. This was during the part of a flight where you were allowed to use electronics, too. I guess it depends on the flight.

Dubai Stu Jan 1, 2008 1:39 pm

I don't own an iPhone and don't proclaim any expertise with them. That said, I read that the recent upgrade to the iPhone firmware increases your ability to shut things off to make your iPhone more travel friendly (e.g. dataroaming, etc). Of course, that doesn't help anyone with jail-breaked iPhone. Hopefully next month there will be some third party apps that let you dig further in an iPhone's innards.

CPMaverick Jan 1, 2008 6:06 pm

I had an issue on ANA when I was using my Sony Ericcson w880i (normal looking phone) in flight mode.

The FA told me I couldn't use it, and it took me some time to explain to her about flight mode. She then asked for my phone and took it in the galley, returning to tell me it was OK to use in flight mode only. Not sure what she did exactly but she obviously attempted a couple phone calls.

CessnaJock Jan 1, 2008 8:56 pm

What truly amazes and mystifies me* is that any carrier or FA on the planet doesn't know what flight mode is all about by now.

* And scares me - but only a little.

xeguy Jan 3, 2008 5:26 pm


Originally Posted by CessnaJock (Post 8986825)
What truly amazes and mystifies me* is that any carrier or FA on the planet doesn't know what flight mode is all about by now.

* And scares me - but only a little.


Originally Posted by xeguy (Post 8974865)
This is not an unreasonable request if it's the airline's policy. That's based on the numbers of people who can hardly distinguish and/or determine if their device is "on" or "off", let alone in some other mode. :D

This generalization can be applied to FA's too. :-P

djk7 Jan 3, 2008 6:26 pm


Originally Posted by wesmills (Post 8968877)
Both AA* and WN* require that anything "with an off switch" be turned off until the aircraft reaches 10,000'. At that point, "approved personal electronics" may be used, "including wireless telephones and laptops with a wireless card, provided they have an aircraft or game mode." (quoting from my last flight on WN)

I just flew Southwest on Monday, and their inflight magazine listed noise canceling headphones as allowed at all times, along with several other devices less likely to have a power switch, such as hearing aids and pacemakers.

SaigonCyclo Jan 4, 2008 2:18 pm

Vietnam Airlines won't allow iPhone use
 
I was told by an F/A on Vietnam Airlines that I couldn't use my iPhone in flight mode during the flight. She made me turn it off.

rumrunner102 Jan 6, 2008 9:19 pm

That ATA story reminds me of the time that I was flying on LH circa 2000. I was watching DVD movies on my laptop and the stewardess came over and very angrily told me to turn it off, as it wasn't permitted. I asked her if she was sure and maybe if she could ask the pilot, which she did. But still no go on letting me finish my movie (about an undersea colony being attacked by a shark if I recall). Sometimes technology gets ahead of the rules.

JoeTPA Nov 25, 2008 11:43 pm

On a recent Delta flight, the FA actually said during the door-closed pre-flight briefing that all cell phones, even with airplane modes, must be turned off for the entire flight.

Finding this somewhat curious, I sent an email to Delta asking them to clarify their policy regarding airplane mode. I got the following responses from two different reps:


Thank you for your e-mail to Delta Air Lines.

Once above 10,000 feet iphones can be used as long as the airplane mode setting is on. No phone calls are permitted once the aircraft door is shut unless the Captain advises differently.

We value your confidence and loyalty.

Sincerely,
(Rep #1)


Thank you for contacting us.

Please note that the flight crew has the final word on when your can use
portable electronic devices onboard an aircraft.

Please view the following link for more information regarding the use of
these objects:


http://www.delta.com/traveling_check...ices/index.jsp

We appreciate your business and look forward to seeing you on your next
Delta flight.

(Rep #2)

So since they contradicted each other (it's allowed/crew has final say), I point blank asked: Is allowing airplane mode Delta policy (i.e. F/A can't override unless it becomes a safety issue), I wrote again, asking them to clarify -- which is it? Is airplane mode allowed by policy, or is it always the flight crew's call? The answer:




Thank you for your e-mail to Delta Air Lines.

Please note that the flight crew has the final word on when your can use
portable electronic devices onboard an aircraft.

Thank you for the opportunity to give this matter our final review. Any
additional correspondence will be kept on file.

Sincerely,
(Rep #3)

So I basically told them that if this becomes a common occurrence that I'll be flying someone else. (shrug)


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