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david55 Oct 18, 2007 7:49 am

Will a laptop battery continue to "drain" even when the computer is off?
 
I have an HP dv9000 and I haven't used it for several weeks. I just went to turn it on and the battery was nearly drained of any power.... is this normal for a laptop turned off for lengthy periods of time to have the battery drain out?

CessnaJock Oct 18, 2007 8:10 am

In a word - no.
 
Not a well-designed computer like an HP or Compaq, anyway. With computers designed to market and not serve the customer - maybe.

When the CPU and display aren't drawing current, the drain on the battery is minimal (there's a little tiny digital clock in the CMOS chip that keeps time, but it wouldn't drain the main battery in a hundred years).

So you either have a defective circuit that's pulling down the battery, or the battery has reached the end of its service life. How old is it? How long will run the machine when freshly charged?

anrkitec Oct 18, 2007 8:12 am


Originally Posted by david4455 (Post 8580253)
I have an HP dv9000 and I haven't used it for several weeks. I just went to turn it on and the battery was nearly drained of any power.... is this normal for a laptop turned off for lengthy periods of time to have the battery drain out?

Yes - some worse than others.

If left sitting, my Sony VAIO SZ battery will be about 1/2 drained within two weeks. My IBM Thinkpad T61 loses the same half-charge over a several month or so period.

Since Sony makes batteries for so many laptop companies, I always wondered if this draining problem was due to some defective technology on their part as, for example, my Nikon DSLR lithium ion batteries will hold a charge seemingly forever.

dgwright99 Oct 18, 2007 8:14 am

Self-discharge on the battery will drain it within a few weeks.

david55 Oct 18, 2007 8:16 am

The computer and battery are new.... (less than year)This is my first HP. My previous laptop was a Dell and I do not remember this "problem" with the Dell.

djk7 Oct 18, 2007 8:22 am

Was the computer shut down, put in standby, or in hibernation. Standby does use power, shutdown or hibernate normally don't.

dgwright99 Oct 18, 2007 8:31 am


Originally Posted by david4455 (Post 8580406)
The computer and battery are new.... (less than year)This is my first HP. My previous laptop was a Dell and I do not remember this "problem" with the Dell.

Any battery of this technology will self-discharge within a few weeks. There may be variation between batteries, but they will all suffer from the effect.

It's also possible that the PC may have an effect, but the self-discharge current is the ultimate limitation. You should not be surprised that after "several weeks" the battery is low. It is perfectly normal.

CessnaJock Oct 18, 2007 8:53 am

Self-discharge isn't the problem.
 

Originally Posted by dgwright99 (Post 8580395)
Self-discharge on the battery will drain it within a few weeks.

If you have ever bought a battery, you know this isn't true. They are charged when they are manufactured. Then they are in transit for weeks or months before reaching the consumer. If the internal resistance of the battery were sufficient to discharge it, batteries would never reach a store in a charged state.

Required reading: http://www.buchmann.ca

cbd_sea Oct 18, 2007 9:13 am

a google search for 'laptop self-discharge' seems to indicate that the phenomenon is designed into this type of battery.

oneant Oct 18, 2007 9:24 am


Originally Posted by CessnaJock (Post 8580598)
If you have ever bought a battery, you know this isn't true. They are charged when they are manufactured. Then they are in transit for weeks or months before reaching the consumer. If the internal resistance of the battery were sufficient to discharge it, batteries would never reach a store in a charged state.

Required reading: http://www.buchmann.ca

Laptop batteries are very different from the pack of AA's we buy to get our TV remote control working again.

@ the OP:
Yes. This is very normal.

CessnaJock Oct 18, 2007 10:49 am


Originally Posted by oneant (Post 8580809)
@ the OP:
Yes. This is very normal.

Every battery has internal resistance. In some batteries (and chemistries) it is very high - meaning that the discharge takes a long time. In others, it can be shorter.

Evidently, the reported behavior is a function of the design. Some laptops discharge themselves. Some don't. Some catch fire. My HP and Compaq laptops worked right out of the box (one of which was drop-shipped directly from the factory in China). My anecdotal evidence is as irrelevant as anyone else's.

SylviaCaras Oct 18, 2007 11:14 am

Panasonic, Sony
 
My Panasonic R4, which I like very much, loses battery power within a day if the battery is attached and the computer is off, even though the charged battery lasts for 5 - 7 hours. For traveling, I disconnect the battery and it holds its charge quite a while.

My prior Sony Vaio (FX series?) battery didn't lose the charge in a noticeable way when connected to a turned off computer. The off-label extra batteries I bought held the charge less well than the ones from Sony.

Sylvia

cordelli Oct 18, 2007 12:25 pm

Quite normal.

Charge it fully, leave it out of the machine for a few weeks, it won't be fully charged anymore.

Something I tend to forget when I pack the extra battery pack for a trip that was fully charged :mad:

djk7 Oct 18, 2007 12:40 pm

I certainly does seem to vary. I have an extra battery for my laptop, sitting on the shelf, the battery does lose charge over time, but still has well over half a charge after sitting for several months.

For the OP, I would try testing with the battery both in and out of the laptop and see if it differs, that will tell you if it's just the battery, or something in the computer discharging it.

david55 Oct 18, 2007 1:17 pm


Originally Posted by djk7 (Post 8582121)
For the OP, I would try testing with the battery both in and out of the laptop and see if it differs, that will tell you if it's just the battery, or something in the computer discharging it.

Is this something I can do "at home" with out any special equipment?

Efrem Oct 18, 2007 1:28 pm


Originally Posted by david4455 (Post 8582314)
Is this something I can do "at home" with out any special equipment?

Yes:

1. Charge battery fully.
2. Shut down computer.
3. Wait 24 hours (or longer; see step 5 below).
4. Start up computer.
5. Check battery charge. If it's still nearly full, restart from step 1 with twice the time interval.
6. Charge battery fully.
7. Remove battery from computer (ideally having shut it down first).
8. Wait 24 hours, or whatever longer interval you ended up with in step 3 above.
9. Reinsert battery and start up computer.
10. Check battery charge.
11. Compare results of step 5 and step 10.

gobluetwo Oct 18, 2007 1:37 pm


Originally Posted by djk7 (Post 8582121)
I certainly does seem to vary. I have an extra battery for my laptop, sitting on the shelf, the battery does lose charge over time, but still has well over half a charge after sitting for several months.

same here. i have a Dell D600 with 2 batteries. i just checked the spare, which has been in my bag unused for the last 2 months. the battery power indicator shows that it is still fully (more or less) charged. my colleague has one of the recalled Dell batteries from the recall last August. it has been sitting in a box in his office for a year (fully charged at the time) and still shows that it is about 20-40% charged (2 out of 5 indicator lights come on).

anrkitec Oct 18, 2007 1:49 pm


Originally Posted by david4455 (Post 8582314)
Is this something I can do "at home" with out any special equipment?

Yes.

What is being suggested is that you fully charge your battery. Leave the laptop at home and off all day, come back and check the remaining charge level.

Next day, fully charge the battery again but this time physically remove the battery from the laptop [you can still use the laptop without a battery in it with the AC adapter], leave it sitting on your desk, go to work, come back and check the charge level again - see if there is a difference in the amount of loss based on having the battery physically in or out of the laptop.

oneant Oct 18, 2007 2:44 pm

I think two weeks to go from 100% to 0% is abnormal, but a gentle, consistent, and constant discharge is VERY normal normal for laptop batteries.

Efrem Oct 18, 2007 3:16 pm


Originally Posted by anrkitec (Post 8582480)
Yes.

What is being suggested is that ...

Jeesh - ya gotta translate that into plain English? Ya wanna get all our geek certificates pulled, dude? What's with that? :D

mikem132 Oct 18, 2007 5:10 pm

maybe. Your laptop probably goes into "standby" or "sleep" mode when you close the lid. THis will draw a fair amount of power. It should go into "hibernate" after a period of time. This is basically "off" and should draw almost no power at all. Check your power settings and power scheme. Vista computers go from "sleep" to "hibernate" by themselves after a time--no setting for it.
A LiIon battery will hold a charge at room temperature for MONTHS. Something is "on" in your computer settings to drain it, although draining after a few weeks is actually pretty good, I think. It's when you laptop goes dead overnight that you have a problem with "sleep" or "standby".

CessnaJock Oct 18, 2007 5:12 pm

Duplicate

mgilmer Oct 22, 2007 11:48 pm


Originally Posted by david4455 (Post 8580406)
The computer and battery are new.... (less than year)This is my first HP. My previous laptop was a Dell and I do not remember this "problem" with the Dell.

My D610 loses only minimal power when off. My Sony Vaio will completely discharge when off if not used for a couple of weeks.

Savage25 Oct 23, 2007 12:00 am

Out of curiosity after seeing this thread, I started my HP dv2000 which had been in hibernation for 3 weeks. The full charge was down to 39%. Computer is about 2 months old.


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