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Self destructing USB drive.
Not sure it's useful to me, but I think it's cool. :)
Passwords can be hacked, but not the IronKey. It's built to withstand attacks both virtual and physical. 10 incorrect password attempts, and the encryption chip self-destructs, making the contents of the flash drive totally unreadable. The contents of the drive are filled with epoxy, so if a hacker tries to physically access the chips, he'd more likely damage them instead. Even if he did get access to the memory chips, they'd be worthless without the encryption chip. Electron-shielded, even a scanning electron microscope can't get inside. |
That's pretty cool.
I don't have any state secrets worthy of such high tech security though. :) |
Even better, use Write Only Memory (WOM).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Write_Only_Memory Then you never have to worry about somebody getting your data. :D |
Originally Posted by Bobster
(Post 8399101)
Even better, use Write Only Memory (WOM).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Write_Only_Memory Then you never have to worry about somebody getting your data. :D |
Jack Bauer had a self destructing one. He "programmed" it to burn itself up if used in any other PDA than his.
I don't think the TSA would allow any USB drives with detonators through security. Or maybe since it isn't a liquid, it is OK. |
Corsair also do a "Padlocked" pendrive at http://www.corsair.com/products/padlock.aspx
Its a case of entering the PIN in before using it .... *Good Morning Mr Phelps....Your mission, should you decide to accept it....... .... this pendrive will self destruct in 5 seconds* :D |
So I bought a 4GB IronKey a couple of weeks ago. I really love this device.
Like most of us, I have dozens of accounts on-line, each with a unique ID/Password combination. Many of these accounts I access only rarely. Since I never write down passwords anywhere, and don't duplicate passwords, I often find myself in a lengthy password recovery process each time I need to access the account. I now have access to all my password protected accounts from a device that lives in my pocket. The IK comes with a password manager and a portable version of FireFox to allow portable sessions to be created from any system with a USB connection. Remove the IK and you remove your presence from that machine. Access to the IK is via a single user-settable password. Data on the IK is protected by AES 256 encryption (Son of DES). Enter the password incorrectly 10 times and the data on the drive is physically, albeit silently, destroyed. I know there are freeware programs like KeePass that can be loaded on conventional thumb drives, but they don't satisfy my sense of paranoia like the IK does. :D It's not perfect, by any means, and I don't have 4GB of data that I need to protect, but it really suits my needs. |
From painful experience, but not as painful as yours will be if .....
I now have access to all my password protected accounts from a device that lives in my pocket. (Speaking from experience, but not a fail ten times and it dies in front of your eyes painful experience. :eek: ) SC |
Originally Posted by ShaneCulver
(Post 8506064)
For your sake, back it up often.
(Speaking from experience, but not a fail ten times and it dies in front of your eyes painful experience. :eek: ) Even if it died and I had no backups I could use the site password recovery tools like I always have. |
I'm afraid I don't see the point - if the encryption is any good (e.g. truecrypt) then it doesn't matter if they get your USB disk. It is secure against any number of password attempts.
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Chuck Norris already hacked it.
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Originally Posted by pteron
(Post 8507471)
I'm afraid I don't see the point - if the encryption is any good (e.g. truecrypt) then it doesn't matter if they get your USB disk. It is secure against any number of password attempts.
If someone stole my laptop, and my laptop had an encrypted file with all my passwords. I would still feel compelled to go change all those passwords. The IK also has a password generator, so my individual account passwords are now secure as well. |
My firm handed out tens of thousands of devices like these - the Kingston DTE - about three years ago. Everything is encrypted and 10 failed attempts at the password re-formats the drive. We are required to use if for managing all client- and firm-related data. I don't know if it's physically secure (potted with epoxy), but the encryption should be as good on the bare chip as it is through the USB port.
I suppose throwing super-computer-class processing power at breaking the 256-bit AES hardware-based encryption is a possibility, but I'm not too worried |
Originally Posted by skofarrell
(Post 8507761)
Chuck Norris already hacked it.
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This part doesn't seem very secure:
- If your Ironkey is lost, you can restore from a secure backup to a new Ironkey in minutes (because I bet the backup machine doesn't self-destruct if someone tries to hack into it... not to mention all the people that have legitimate access to it) |
I just had a weird thought - how do people who are concerned about security at such an extreme level account for the case where they are hit by the proverbial truck?
Does someone else have a copy of the key? How secure is it? Hidden under a stone in the fence by the big tree? In a safe deposit box? None of these are any more secure than the 256-bit key is. I guess a trusted friend could keep an encrypted copy of the key on his/her computer - but how is it protected? Strange game. The only winning strategy is to not play. |
I like to have my private data secured, but not sure self-destruct storage is the way to go. I use the simple but controversial (in corporate world) Microsoft Private Folder 1.0. Works OK.
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Bigger Concerns
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I just had a weird thought - how do people who are concerned about security at such an extreme level account for the case where they are hit by the proverbial truck? Snicker, SC |
Originally Posted by birdstrike
(Post 8508085)
That is true for today, but it is statistical security. The key might be broken on the first try. The key to security is to make it cost more to get the goods than the goods are worth.
AES and its ilk have been extensively analysed by the best cryptographers in the world. Nobody (assuming they really want your data) is going to attempt to break your encryption by brute force; they will extract your password from you by fair means or fowl and in those circumstances your 10 attempt limit is irrelevant. |
Originally Posted by pteron
(Post 8512814)
...they will extract your password from you by fair means...
Originally Posted by pteron
(Post 8512814)
.... or fowl and in those circumstances your 10 attempt limit is irrelevant.
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The device is marketed as allowing you to use untrusted machines, but it seems to me that it has significant limitations on them:
(1) You still have to enter your IronKey password in the clear. Allows for keyloggers to get your password, with which they have full access to your data. (2) Once the device is plugged in and decrypted, the machine will have full access to your data - it can just make a copy of it. (3) [for all machines] Is the backup to IronKey's computers optional or mandatory? How is the data secured in transit? Is it just HTTPS? (4) [regarding the device] Has anyone independent verified the security of the device? Is the code open source? |
10 attempts, 10 fingers. Ohhh I can think of ways to get the password.
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Originally Posted by Doppy
(Post 9076679)
The device is marketed as allowing you to use untrusted machines, but it seems to me that it has significant limitations on them:
(1) You still have to enter your IronKey password in the clear. Allows for keyloggers to get your password, with which they have full access to your data.
Originally Posted by Doppy
(Post 9076679)
(2) Once the device is plugged in and decrypted, the machine will have full access to your data - it can just make a copy of it.
The password manager enters passwords directly into web pages, bypassing keystroke loggers. As far as I can tell, if you store an unencrypted document on the IronKey, plug it into a compromised machine, and unlock the drive, malware could indeed copy the file somewhere else. In any event, owning an IronKey does not absolve the user from practicing safe computing. It just makes it easier.
Originally Posted by Doppy
(Post 9076679)
(3) [for all machines] Is the backup to IronKey's computers optional or mandatory? How is the data secured in transit? Is it just HTTPS?
Personally, I'm annoyed that the only way to backup passwords is to use the "quick backup" option which -does- use the Ironkey server. They are fixing that, but still. :mad:
Originally Posted by Doppy
(Post 9076679)
(4) [regarding the device] Has anyone independent verified the security of the device? Is the code open source?
https://learn.ironkey.com/faqs/ I'm quite pleased with mine. It has already logged quite a few miles with me. I can't see traveling without it. |
Reminds me of a modern day Da Vinci cylinder.
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Originally Posted by birdstrike
(Post 9076979)
You need the IronKey and the password to get access to the data on the drive. If a typical keylogger gets the password, it will have no idea what to do with it. Stored passwords are also a special case.
Personally, I'm annoyed that the only way to backup passwords is to use the "quick backup" option which -does- use the Ironkey server. They are fixing that, but still. :mad: Have you tried the included Tor application? How well does that work? |
Originally Posted by Doppy
(Post 9079883)
Not if it both captures your keystrokes and copies the data off the device.
If is a data copying malware thing, then you have already unlocked the device by entering the password yourself. Edit to say, the IronKey password is not part of the decryption process, so if you mean you could copy the encrypted data off the device, then use the keylogged password to read it later, that would not work. The password is only used to verify that you can access the real decryption key which is stored off the filesystem.
Originally Posted by Doppy
(Post 9079883)
So you can't just make a copy to your computer? That seems like a major negative. When is that going to be fixed?
There is supposed to be a new software release this month and that is on the enhancement list. We don't yet know what will actually be addressed in the next release.
Originally Posted by Doppy
(Post 9079883)
Have you tried the included Tor application? How well does that work?
Since the major search engines base some of their results on your location, Tor can generate some interesting results. |
I'm heavily leaning towards one of these, but I was a bit miffed when I found out that they chose to go with AES 128 instead of 256.
AES 128 is only certified by the NSA for SECRET, whereas I consider my FlyerTalk password to be TOP SECRET. :( (Of course, since FT doesn't provide a secure login, this may be moot.) While brute forcing AES 256 would require more energy than is available in the universe, brute forcing AES 128 would not. :( |
Originally Posted by coxta
(Post 9077277)
Reminds me of a modern day Da Vinci cylinder.
It sits on the mantlepiece. If it goes missing I will change all the passwords. If I travel it goes into my bank's vault. It's a pretty nifty device. It can of course be cut open, but this would be kind of noticeable since I physically see it every day. It can't be easily opened without the password for it - the combination has many false notches to prevent any attempt to just feel where the notches are. Audrey |
Duplicate, sorry!
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that's cool. could be usefull to put copies of all your passport, DL, visa's, cc's, etc on it and take it when traveling.
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Originally Posted by iCorpRoadie
(Post 9082946)
that's cool. could be usefull to put copies of all your passport, DL, visa's, cc's, etc on it and take it when traveling.
Audrey |
Originally Posted by falconea
(Post 9083001)
It's a few pounds of solid metal. Would probably upset security enormously.
I know just the person who would like this as a present. Still, as you say, not exactly a portable password memory device. iCorpRoadie, That is a great idea! I'm going to scan in my passport, DL, medical insurance card, and, heck, birth certificate, and keep them on my IronKey when I travel. |
Originally Posted by birdstrike
(Post 9083870)
falcone, That's very cool! Since I studiously ignored all things Da Vinci Code, I'm really glad you provided the link! ^
Justin also makes cheaper "replicas" which can be found here: http://www.cryptex.org. Here is a picture of my good cryptex: http://www.bluering.org.au/leon/cryptex7935.jpg I also popped them on my kitchen scale last night - my good one is just under 4 lb, and my replica is just under 3 lb. Be warned - they aren't cheap! Audrey |
Originally Posted by falconea
(Post 9089638)
Here is a picture of my good cryptex: http://www.bluering.org.au/leon/cryptex7935.jpg
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Aka James bond usb drive.
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