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Capite Dec 15, 2006 7:56 am

ActiveSync and Outlook calendar
 
My wife is looking into getting a PDA/phone, mainly so that she can use Outlook on the road.

I have read that Microsoft ActiveSync software lets you 'push' email from Microsoft Outlook on your PC to your PDA, even if you don't have Exchange Server.

Does it let you push your Outlook Calendar and Contacts data as well, without using Exchange Server but just your PC? Can anyone confirm that it works?

Also, to make matters worse, she doesn't want a Windows Mobile-based PDA but rather a Sony-Ericsson M600 which has Symbian I believe. Supposedly ActiveSync works on that too, but if anyone knows please advise.

Dodge DeBoulet Dec 15, 2006 9:08 am

ActiveSync no longer supports wireless sync over a network; you must use Bluetooth, USB or Serial connectivity. For that reason, I would in no way qualify ActiveSync as capable of "push email." While it will certainly update your PDA with email, contacts, appointments, tasks, etc. received, it doesn't do it real-time nor while you're away from the device on which Outlook is installed.

I don't believe ActiveSync works with Symbian devices (never used one, but my suspicion is that Microsoft isn't that interested in supporting anything other than WM). My guess is PumaTech's IntelliSync is what's used on the M600. Works at least as well as ActiveSync, given the caveats above.

ScottC Dec 15, 2006 9:21 am


Originally Posted by PorkRind (Post 6853913)

I don't believe ActiveSync works with Symbian devices (never used one, but my suspicion is that Microsoft isn't that interested in supporting anything other than WM). My guess is PumaTech's IntelliSync is what's used on the M600. Works at least as well as ActiveSync, given the caveats above.

AS is out on several Nokia and SonyEricsson Symbian phones. Fairly limited, but it's there.

To get push email you will need an exchange server OR a third party exchange service like www.4smartphone.net . Expect to pay around $50 a year for the service.

Capite Dec 15, 2006 10:53 am

Thanks guys, you just saved me a lot of grief. That's lame about ActiveSync not working realtime. It's weird that the Sony-Ericsson product page for the M600 even advertises the push email, without saying you have to have Exchange Server.


Originally Posted by ScottC (Post 6853973)
To get push email you will need an exchange server OR a third party exchange service like www.4smartphone.net . Expect to pay around $50 a year for the service.

Any idea if the third-party Exchange services work with Outlook Calendar as well as email?

ScottC Dec 15, 2006 1:36 pm


Originally Posted by Capite (Post 6854451)
Thanks guys, you just saved me a lot of grief. That's lame about ActiveSync not working realtime. It's weird that the Sony-Ericsson product page for the M600 even advertises the push email, without saying you have to have Exchange Server.



Any idea if the third-party Exchange services work with Outlook Calendar as well as email?

Yes most of them do, but it costs a little extra. I have a plan that syncs email with my PDA, but their $6.99/m plan syncs with outlook on your desktop and over the air with your PDA (contacts, email and calendar).

bdesmond Dec 16, 2006 2:13 pm


Originally Posted by PorkRind (Post 6853913)
I don't believe ActiveSync works with Symbian devices (never used one, but my suspicion is that Microsoft isn't that interested in supporting anything other than WM). My guess is PumaTech's IntelliSync is what's used on the M600. Works at least as well as ActiveSync, given the caveats above.

Microsoft has been licensing Active Sync for a while. Several non WM phones support it.

GadgetFreak Dec 16, 2006 2:31 pm


Originally Posted by PorkRind (Post 6853913)
ActiveSync no longer supports wireless sync over a network; you must use Bluetooth, USB or Serial connectivity. For that reason, I would in no way qualify ActiveSync as capable of "push email." While it will certainly update your PDA with email, contacts, appointments, tasks, etc. received, it doesn't do it real-time nor while you're away from the device on which Outlook is installed.

I don't believe ActiveSync works with Symbian devices (never used one, but my suspicion is that Microsoft isn't that interested in supporting anything other than WM). My guess is PumaTech's IntelliSync is what's used on the M600. Works at least as well as ActiveSync, given the caveats above.

Sorry, this is just wrong. I have two Windows Mobile devices, a Verizon Palm Treo 700w and an HTC TyTN. Active Sync does not work over a LOCAL (device to device) connection wirelessly but works fine over the internet. In other words, over the EvDO or GPRS connection on the phone Active Sync works.

Does your wife use an Exchange server? If so, then if it is over a certain version it has built in Push Email support. On both of my devices when an email hits the Exchange Server it immediately is pushed to my device if the device is set that way. You can set the handheld to sync "As Items Arrive" which enables push email or at various time intervals or only manually (say for improved battery life or while roaming).

I would recommend very strongly against Symbian in this case. From what I have been able to tell it seems to have very limited capabilities for Active Sync when compared to the implementation on Windows Mobile devices.

Dodge DeBoulet Dec 16, 2006 8:23 pm


Originally Posted by GadgetFreak (Post 6859489)
Sorry, this is just wrong. I have two Windows Mobile devices, a Verizon Palm Treo 700w and an HTC TyTN. Active Sync does not work over a LOCAL (device to device) connection wirelessly but works fine over the internet. In other words, over the EvDO or GPRS connection on the phone Active Sync works.

I have a WM5-based PDA and ActiveSync 4.1. I cannot synchronize my PDA over any connection other than a local one (Bluetooth or USB). Earlier versions of ActiveSync supported network synchronization, but that was apparently disabled after v3.8 due to, according to Microsoft, a security risk . . . and WM5 doesn't work with older versions of Activesync.

What version of ActiveSync are you running? I don't have a WM-based SmartPhone; I needed something I could rely on so I went with a BlackBerry ;)

GadgetFreak Dec 16, 2006 9:26 pm


Originally Posted by PorkRind (Post 6860757)
I have a WM5-based PDA and ActiveSync 4.1. I cannot synchronize my PDA over any connection other than a local one (Bluetooth or USB). Earlier versions of ActiveSync supported network synchronization, but that was apparently disabled after v3.8 due to, according to Microsoft, a security risk . . . and WM5 doesn't work with older versions of Activesync.

What version of ActiveSync are you running? I don't have a WM-based SmartPhone; I needed something I could rely on so I went with a BlackBerry ;)

What are you trying to Sync to? Mine syncs to an Exchange Server. It can using either a WiFi connection or the phone connection (GPRS/EDGE/UMTS) on the HTC TyTN or over the phone connection on the Treo. Both are Windows Mobile 5 devices with the latest Active Sync. I also have a Windows Mobile 5 Smartphone device that will sync remotely but last time I checked it wouldnt push mail. It needs a firmware upgrade for that I think.

Capite Dec 16, 2006 10:28 pm

Thanks for the further discussion. My wife does have Small Business Server 2003 so I think Exchange Server is bundled in there, but her IT support is awful so unlikely they could get it running. She likes the 4smartphone idea, no problem paying $7/month. She's also dead set on the Sony Ericsson M600 since the Bond girl in Casino Royale had one. :D

GadgetFreak Dec 17, 2006 3:42 am


Originally Posted by Capite (Post 6861076)
Thanks for the further discussion. My wife does have Small Business Server 2003 so I think Exchange Server is bundled in there, but her IT support is awful so unlikely they could get it running. She likes the 4smartphone idea, no problem paying $7/month. She's also dead set on the Sony Ericsson M600 since the Bond girl in Casino Royale had one. :D

But the did the Bond girl use Exchange sync functionality? I dont know about SE's implementation of Active Sync but from looking into the Nokia based Symbian version of Active Sync I think it is worthy of Ian Fleming to say it works at all. It seems to basically just give you inbox and outbox whereas the Windows Mobile version gives you all of your folders in your mail. That is a huge difference.

Dodge DeBoulet Dec 17, 2006 6:36 am


Originally Posted by GadgetFreak (Post 6860915)
What are you trying to Sync to? Mine syncs to an Exchange Server. It can using either a WiFi connection or the phone connection (GPRS/EDGE/UMTS) on the HTC TyTN or over the phone connection on the Treo. Both are Windows Mobile 5 devices with the latest Active Sync. I also have a Windows Mobile 5 Smartphone device that will sync remotely but last time I checked it wouldnt push mail. It needs a firmware upgrade for that I think.

If you don't have Exchange, you don't have "Push/Wireless sync." If you'd read the rest of this thread, you would've seen that it was mentioned a number of times that Push needs Exchange. ActiveSync alone doesn't provide it, and I was correcting Capite's misapprehension on that front.

GadgetFreak Dec 17, 2006 6:54 am


Originally Posted by PorkRind (Post 6861797)
If you don't have Exchange, you don't have "Push/Wireless sync." If you'd read the rest of this thread, you would've seen that it was mentioned a number of times that Push needs Exchange. ActiveSync alone doesn't provide it, and I was correcting Capite's misapprehension on that front.

I did read the thread. Im confused by what you are saying here versus what you said in post #2 and other previous posts. In post #2 you said that WM5 devices cant sync outside of the office, or at least that is what I thought you were saying. You also subsequently said you could only synchronize locally. That is why I asked what you were syncing to, because if it is Exchange, you certainly can sync remotely over the internet with WM5 and WM5 Smartphone and you can get Push mail.

Dodge DeBoulet Dec 17, 2006 8:49 am


Originally Posted by GadgetFreak (Post 6861833)
I did read the thread. Im confused by what you are saying here versus what you said in post #2 and other previous posts. In post #2 you said that WM5 devices cant sync outside of the office, or at least that is what I thought you were saying. You also subsequently said you could only synchronize locally. That is why I asked what you were syncing to, because if it is Exchange, you certainly can sync remotely over the internet with WM5 and WM5 Smartphone and you can get Push mail.


Originally Posted by capite
I have read that Microsoft ActiveSync software lets you 'push' email from Microsoft Outlook on your PC to your PDA, even if you don't have Exchange Server (emphasis mine).

This emphasized text is the specific misapprehension I was addressing. Network synchronization/Push is not possible with WM5 devices unless Exchange is involved. Network Sync was, however, possible with earlier versions of ActiveSync (3.8) and WM2K3, without Exchange. Local synchronization for WM5 devices is the only option when Exchange is not available.

GadgetFreak Dec 17, 2006 9:23 am


Originally Posted by PorkRind (Post 6862107)
This emphasized text is the specific misapprehension I was addressing. Network synchronization/Push is not possible with WM5 devices unless Exchange is involved. Network Sync was, however, possible with earlier versions of ActiveSync (3.8) and WM2K3, without Exchange. Local synchronization for WM5 devices is the only option when Exchange is not available.


Sorry, I understand what you were trying to say now. Yes, you are correct, it has to be through the server. That works quite well if you have the server available.


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