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ScottC Jul 25, 2006 6:45 am

The "mp3" player for the audiophile...
 
http://www.slimdevices.com/pi_transporter.html

Paging Kanebear...

Xyzzy Jul 25, 2006 7:47 am

"Mp3 audiophile"? Now there's an oxymoron!

ScottC Jul 25, 2006 8:11 am


Originally Posted by xyzzy
"Mp3 audiophile"? Now there's an oxymoron!

Which is why I said "mp3" ;)

It plays lossless files.

nmenaker Jul 25, 2006 9:19 am

yeah, was just about to say, the mp3 "player" for audiophiles is really just to record lossless, or near lossless quality. I think even the ipods will play that, no? It would just be a small library one could take. Most of my lossless files come out between 60 and 120 MB per song.

ScottC Jul 25, 2006 10:18 am


Originally Posted by nmenaker
yeah, was just about to say, the mp3 "player" for audiophiles is really just to record lossless, or near lossless quality. I think even the ipods will play that, no? It would just be a small library one could take. Most of my lossless files come out between 60 and 120 MB per song.

Yeah, but an iPod still has a weak DAC and weak amplifier. This device is made from the ground up for high quality lossless audio.

I know one lossless "freak" with over 14Tb online, pretty much all filled with music and I'm sure he'll be buying of of these.

nmenaker Jul 25, 2006 10:37 am

yes,
 
but, for this 2000$ I could get a 60GB ipod, some paradigm monitor speakers, 20 feet of kimber cable, a nice NAD amplifier/receiver. A SACD player, some optical links for the video ipod, and a bottle of DOM and a pound of cashews!

Unfortunatly, similiar to their other products, I don't see slimdevices selling many. Sonos outsells them 3 to 1, I think for the money some of the smaller devices have value, but this one is out there.

how can they make a product without GIGE, now that we have 200 mps powerline, and ultrawideband USB around the corner.

No storage? No firewire, no usb support only streaming over ethernet. I'd like to hookup my 500GB, or 1TB external device to this and just stream, or access locally via USB2.0 or FW, but there are no hooks?

willyroo Jul 25, 2006 5:49 pm


Originally Posted by ScottC
Which is why I said "mp3" ;)

It plays lossless files.

coff

If it's digital, it's not audiophile.

:)


G, D, R

nmenaker Jul 25, 2006 6:04 pm

and the trump is thrown

ScottC Jul 25, 2006 6:11 pm


Originally Posted by willyroo
coff

If it's digital, it's not audiophile.

:)


G, D, R

Then in that logic neither is the CD player, SACD player, DVD audio or any other non analogue format??

Not everyone is a freak that listens to vinyl... :D

ScottC Jul 25, 2006 6:11 pm


Originally Posted by nmenaker
but, for this 2000$ I could get a 60GB ipod, some paradigm monitor speakers, 20 feet of kimber cable, a nice NAD amplifier/receiver. A SACD player, some optical links for the video ipod, and a bottle of DOM and a pound of cashews!

Unfortunatly, similiar to their other products, I don't see slimdevices selling many. Sonos outsells them 3 to 1, I think for the money some of the smaller devices have value, but this one is out there.

how can they make a product without GIGE, now that we have 200 mps powerline, and ultrawideband USB around the corner.

No storage? No firewire, no usb support only streaming over ethernet. I'd like to hookup my 500GB, or 1TB external device to this and just stream, or access locally via USB2.0 or FW, but there are no hooks?


Flawed logic. In your setup the iPod is STILL the weakest link. The iPod does not contain any high quality audio components.

CPRich Jul 25, 2006 8:58 pm


Originally Posted by willyroo
coff

If it's digital, it's not audiophile. :)

"Clock signals in Transporter are handled not as ones and zeroes, but as precision analog signals"


Timing is handled in analog and audio signal in digital. What's wrong with this picture?

ScottC Jul 25, 2006 9:29 pm


Originally Posted by nmenaker
Unfortunatly, similiar to their other products, I don't see slimdevices selling many. Sonos outsells them 3 to 1, I think for the money some of the smaller devices have value, but this one is out there.

Where did you get this bit of information?

Slim has sold over 50k players, I have a VERY had time believing Sonos has sold anywhere near that with their overpriced units, no wonder they had to move to a cheaper amp-less option. If you are going to spend $1500 on multizone audio you can go with much better options.

FWIW; Slim also sells abroad under several OEM brand names and is doing pretty well at that.

ralfp Jul 25, 2006 9:58 pm


Originally Posted by ScottC
Flawed logic. In your setup the iPod is STILL the weakest link. The iPod does not contain any high quality audio components.

Umm... if you use digital out.... it doesn't matter. If it can store and play digital audio files of sufficient quality and has digital out, then the audio components (DAC, amp) are less important to the audio quality than the brand of toilet paper in the nearest bathroom.

The flawed logic was the idea of spending more than small change on cable. Now it's time to run as the "audiophiles" attack me and my "measurements" and "real data". :p

ralfp Jul 25, 2006 10:04 pm


Originally Posted by CPRich
"Clock signals in Transporter are handled not as ones and zeroes, but as precision analog signals"


Timing is handled in analog and audio signal in digital. What's wrong with this picture?

Time -> analog. The time between pulses in a diigtal pulse train is an analog value.

For examples of the blurry line, consider PWM and PDM:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulse-density_modulation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulse-width_modulation

[I'm not saying anything about the merits of the marketing statement from your quote.]

ScottC Jul 25, 2006 10:21 pm


Originally Posted by ralfp
Umm... if you use digital out.... it doesn't matter. If it can store and play digital audio files of sufficient quality and has digital out, then the audio components (DAC, amp) are less important to the audio quality than the brand of toilet paper in the nearest bathroom.

The flawed logic was the idea of spending more than small change on cable. Now it's time to run as the "audiophiles" attack me and my "measurements" and "real data". :p

Digital out on an iPod doesn't exist. Hence the "flawed logic". Spending 1000's on audio equipment and then feeding it with an iPod is just silly, even if you do use lossless. The iPod has no high quality audio components in it.


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