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nmenaker Mar 21, 2006 9:51 am


Originally Posted by ScottC
21 million as of Q4 2005 on T-mobile and 52.3 million on Cingular.



Edit... not yet:

Verizon has 49.5 million and Sprint/Nextel has 45.6.

yeah, but half of sprint nextel is actually GSM TDMA!!! So, how much was the older NEXTEL piece? Maybe, 20m

ScottC Mar 21, 2006 9:54 am


Originally Posted by nmenaker
yeah, but half of sprint nextel is actually GSM TDMA!!! So, how much was the older NEXTEL piece? Maybe, 20m

I doubt the GSM org. considers Sprint to be a GSM operator...

These are the only operators that are part of the GSM Association:

http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_us.shtml

To me GSM means you can use a GSM handheld on the network either on 850/900/1800 or 1900.

nmenaker Mar 21, 2006 10:17 am

nextel
 

Originally Posted by ScottC
I doubt the GSM org. considers Sprint to be a GSM operator...

These are the only operators that are part of the GSM Association:

http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_us.shtml

To me GSM means you can use a GSM handheld on the network either on 850/900/1800 or 1900.


it was the nextel side, they used GSM, SIMS and technology since 2001.

ScottC Mar 21, 2006 10:43 am


Originally Posted by nmenaker
it was the nextel side, they used GSM, SIMS and technology since 2001.

Uh, no. Sims yes, but even Iridium and Globalstar used SIM cards. But GSM technology? no. The only thing it shares with GSM is that it is based on TDMA. But iDen is most certainly not a GSM technology. Anyhow; there is a chance iDen in the US will be pretty much phased out by 2010 anyway.

nmenaker Mar 21, 2006 10:58 am


Originally Posted by ScottC
Uh, no. Sims yes, but even Iridium and Globalstar used SIM cards. But GSM technology? no. The only thing it shares with GSM is that it is based on TDMA. But iDen is most certainly not a GSM technology. Anyhow; there is a chance iDen in the US will be pretty much phased out by 2010 anyway.

CTIA.ORG

"GSM is also the basis for Integrated Digital Enhanced Network (iDEN), a popular system introduced by Motorola and used by Nextel. "

ScottC Mar 21, 2006 11:15 am


Originally Posted by nmenaker
CTIA.ORG

"GSM is also the basis for Integrated Digital Enhanced Network (iDEN), a popular system introduced by Motorola and used by Nextel. "

They missed out one word there: PRE. iDen is based off PRE-GSM technologies (TDMA).

If iDen really was based off GSM we'd see more hybrid GSM/iDen phones, but motorola only made one or two of those, and they required totally seperate radios.

nmenaker Mar 21, 2006 11:19 am

maybe marketing
 
maybe it was marketing and the relationship, and stock ownership that motorola had with NEXTEL that kept the iDen phones and technology solely in the hards of NEXTEL, trying to create some real barriers to entry for other carriers in this country and Canada.

Certainly the PTT componant of iDen was a key differentiator for NXTL and allowed them to get the rich business user. NXTL had the highest RPU in the industry up till about 2003-2004, by about 20%.

Alas, the phones SUCKED! were big, bulky, didn't take well to having cameras (not my interest!) slapped onto them and were late to add data features.

But as for their PTT componant they ruled the world.


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