Get soon Windows XP on your Apple computers
 

i was looking for a solution to dual boot windows or the apple os.

it seems that it is soon possible.

http://www.onmac.net/

dp ^ ;)

BEAUTIFUL! It's been slashdotted. And just when I was about to put my MacBook up on Ebay.

Awesome, so now you can have XP running on your whining Macbook!

http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?...60314080342861

I'm still waiting for VMWare or MS to offer a virtual PC for the Intel iMac. Being able to boot into Windows is ok, but being able to bring up a running Windows emulator (running at native cpu speed) will be the real winner for me.

Er, but why? Isn't the whole idea of buying an Apple to run Apple's OS?

Some of us need Windows apps too. One of the biggest for me is Quicken. The Mac version of Quicken seems about a decade behind the Windows version development-wise. Dual booting just to get at Quicken seems like an awful lot of bother; it's easier to just keep an old WIndows machine running and access is using Remote Access, however, even better would be to run native Windows Quicken in a vmware-like window under OS X.

Why is it a "whining" MacBook?

Read the URL I posted; a lot of macbooks are being sent back because of an Apple production problem causing them to "whine"'

Here is a link to a video clip of one of the whiners:

http://mobilitytoday.com/news/apple_...ro_squeal.html

Oh, I see. Didn't read the article.
My Pro-Apple defense system has been on high alert since the switch to Intel. ;)

yeah, this was just cracked a couple days ago, and confirmed yesterday. Nice that the guy got 14K$ for cracking it, I think I like this type of CHALLENGE.

I downloaded the code and might try it on an external to the new intelimac, blog says there are lots of driver issues still, but this is a NICE first start.

Mine hasn't done that thankfully, but then again I've only played with it a bit. It's not my main machine. I bought it hoping I could do the triple-play thing (Linux/OS X/WinXP).

i mac mini
 

i think this will have a big impact on the sale of apple computers.

i have 3 friends who ordered the mac mini today after i told them the xp story.

i will try to install a dual boot system too.

dp

IMHO the best Mac would be one running XP.

Macs look nice, have some sweet features, but 95% of people don't buy them because of the MacOS. Being able to install Windows on them will only help increase Apples market share.

I have some applications I use for clients that only run on Windows XP which keeps me from buying a Mac.

If this is true, it would be a relieve for Apple...It wouldn't have to develop, service an operating system for 5% of their customer. However, the 5% might be totally wrong. I know some Apple users (advertising industry), they all buy Apples because of the MacOS...they love it!

......The solution enables the Windows XP service pack 2 version to run on a Mac. Nederkoorn wrote that traffic to his site has surged so much that he has had to get a new Internet host for the site. An Apple spokeswoman declined comment on the contest. Apple officials have said they have no desire for Windows to run on their hardware.

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/14121761.htm

I agree that having both would be nice and I will take advantage of that. However, that said, I think the Apple OS is vastly superior to Windows. I would only want windows for a few apps like Active Sycn and Palm sync and possibly voice recognition. I realize there are Mac versions out there but having the Win versions running I dont want to mess with changing them.

I bought the macbook simply to run windows on it. I don't use AppleOS and doubt I ever will. I simply love Apple's industrial design and don't mind paying more for something I can't get on the PC side of things.

People pay $4500 for an Alienware machine, and I know that not everyone does that because of its "power", people want a nice looking machine. There are plenty of people that think that a Dell Dimension or XPS looks like crap, and these people are perfectly willing to pay an additional $500 for a machine that does not look like crap.

For serious; I have a feeling we'll see a pretty active market in XP/Vista running Apple machines in not too long. Why else do you think the community was able to cough up $14000 to get someone to figure out how to install XP? Not all of them wanted dual boot. I for one am going to order a couple of mac mintels, simply because they are the smallest dualcore machine I can find with BT and WiFi. They will make perfect little servers. Heck, if it works like I want, then I might start selling them myself on Ebay with an XP license...

You might be correct, good business idea. I guess you have to 'cooperate' with one of Apple's tier 1 customers in order to get a sufficient Gross Profit Margin (>=24%) ... I looked at Apple's Mac mini. The 'box' design and the technology could easily be 'reproduced'. Why don't talk to Medion. They are (still) in the US and need some real good 'ideas'.
BTW, what is BT?

There are already a few that stole the design (Asus comes to mind), but none of them have the build quality and features of the Mac. As for the discount, I've been dealing with Apple long enough to get the discounts I need :D

Out of curiosity, aside from using an external mouse, how does one right click using an XP macbook?

Hold down control and click.

Is that likely to work in XP though? (That is how the Mac OS deals with it, but I gather that is software based.)

The thing about running XP only on the Macs is that there's not going to be an Apple warranty or support that way. This to me seems to limit the idea only to those with the technical knowhow to handle this anyway. The average user isn't going to go for a solution that has no manufacturer support. So I don't really see a huge market for Macs with only XP.

Now dual boot I can see, perhaps, as long as again it doesn't void warranties. Still, so far the bar of entry is still pretty high, a lot of technical work to get it going. What I do expect will happen with commercial developer resources behind it, though, is the ability to run Windows concurrently with Mac OS, a la Virtual PC. That's not really anything new, but Virtual PC has always been a slowish performer. Since this is now Intel hardware, though, it should be possible to have a Virtual PC-like dual use setup with little to no performance hit. That is the solution that will sell to the average user. Those who need no support or warranty will still be able to make XP boot if they want.

Good points. I guess ctrl-click won't work for xp. You'd need an external mouse.

As far as dual booting goes, I've got zero interest. Once upon a time I used to dual boot Linux and Windows. It's a big pain. What I really want is virtualization. The new Intel chips support hardware virtualization. Once someone relases an emulator that runs Windows apps at near native speeds, I can get rid of my last Windows machine, and go Mac at the office as well. This wouldn't be a good solution for video gamers, but for those of us still tied to a Windows app it'll be great.

Honestly, though, I think the vast majority of Mac users don't care one way or another. Most Mac users are looking to get away from Windows, not run it on a Mac. The OS and bundled apps are the biggest selling point for a Mac - it's an actual system, as opposed to a bunch of parts cobbled together by a bunch of different companies. The availability of software for Macs really isn't a problem. With few exceptions, there are Mac apps as good or better than the Windows apps in just about every segment. The giant hole is vertical apps, but lots of those are moving to web apps anyway. The big one for me is Visual Studio. I love to use it, and I don't guess MS will build me a Mac version.

XP is installing as we speak. Took me half the freakin' night to get it done. Turns out the 'automated' .EXE someone put together doesn't work. So after burning 3 cds of that crap I finally went and rolled my own and voila, she eeez booting. Overall it's a bit of a pain to get it done but I have NO doubt the process will be greatly improved and streamlined as we go forward.

I'm now posting from it. The video is slooow, unfortunately they haven't worked out the issue of video drivers yet. Otherwise, it works just like any other XP machine. A few keyboard workarounds but nothing big. As for right clicking the mouse, there's a small shareware utility, you hold down the ctrl key and it acts like a right click. Works a treat. I'll post the link shortly.

Why don't you just buy the damn 3 button mouse? :confused:

It's just a usb mouse. They work with MacOS also.

-David

Most people like to be able to use a laptop without an external mouse.

For those that are still running OS X on their Macs, and are unhappy about the one button trackpad, Sidetrack is pretty nifty.

Good point.

Defintily a drawback in this case. A travel mouse might be a decent option. Still hard to use on an airplane though.

-David

Read about one MacWorld staffer's experience installing XP on an Intel-based Mac Mini in this article. Conclusions: it took way longer than he thought it would to get it running, now that it's running it works, it's missing a few things but is fine for most apps, a couple of the glitches can require a clean reinstall with loss of all data on the disk, he wouldn't bet the farm on it yet.

If you plan to try it, this article is a must. Lots of practical warnings about the gotchas, as well as things that one might think are going wrong but are just how the process works.

In light of what has been said in this thread and todays announcement of "bootcamp": hahahahahahaha. ;)

Well, I guess my remarks about "There's not going to be Apple warranty or support" lasted about 3 weeks. :D

I guess I could remain technically correct because it's not as if Apple is supporting Windows (says so right on the Boot Camp page), but obviously they have developed their own software to support the Windows booting, so there won't be any hardware warranty issues and such.

Hey, whatever works. I personally would only find dual boot useful in a select few instances (which don't exist for me right now). If someone gives me virtualization, though, as I mentioned above (ability to put Windows on the box and then run Windows apps *without* rebooting), then I'll be impressed and somewhat more interested. I still don't have an immediate use for it, but it would mean that I could fire up the occasional Windows app without rebooting, and I could see that being much more useful.

reboot times
 

are really not that bad on mac portables...i;m guessing that one could possibly down and up in 5 minutes for osX to winbloze...or vis versa.

So for work life balance, i could just shut off work in the hotel room and go into os X for the evening...and with the MAC address being tied to the hotel broadband it should all be good.

I wonder how long it will be till vendors start selling Macs with XP pre-installed...

Bet we won't
 

I bet we won't see vendors doing the preinstalled thing, there is still a license requirement, that would simply add to the cost.

I'll try the install tonite, see how it goes.

My guess, this was out there already, apple just wants to get SOME level of support for it, doing it right the first time. Lots of people might have tried the homebrew version, but would have screwed theirs macs.

Since the technology is reportadly going to be in the next version of OSx, my guess is they are just getting it out there in advance.

Nice stock pop though.

Looks like a company plans to release a product making virtualization possible on the Mac perhaps as early as this week. This article says that details will be available later this week. Not sure what that means. Maybe just an announcement of when it will be released. shrug. we'll have to see.

Mr SWise is also anxiously awaiting virtualization, so that he can do away with carrying two machines everywhere. I, for one, will be happy when the Thinkpad finally takes up permanent residence in our in-home computer retirement community.