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roberto99 Feb 10, 2006 7:08 am


Originally Posted by vincom
All patch cables are labeled to what thier certification is, as is required by TIA specification, the cable itself says what it is, including if it is a corssover cable...

-Vincent

The (non-crossover) patch patch cables that I make or repair have no labels. Nor do the 50 or so Ithat I have in my basement.

Any non-standard cables that I would touch (like crossover) WOULD get a lebel, though.

murphy Feb 10, 2006 7:09 am

Phone cords are not a worldwide standard. I think bpratt was saying that ethernet cables look like large phone cords, and are a worldwide standard.

murphy Feb 10, 2006 7:14 am


Originally Posted by Tennisbum
"Lanterra Products Type CM 24AWG 75°C (UL) E188630 CSA LL81295 CM6 ETL VERIFIED EIA/TIA-568A CAT5 61K202"


What I can see is:
1. black, blue, blue, orange
2. black, orange, blue, blue

And, yes, this is the cable that was shipped with, and used to connect our PC to, our original modem in 2002.

How's you eyesight? The words on the cable claim it's cat 5, but that should have 8 colored wires. It doesn't look like one of these?

Tennisbum Feb 10, 2006 9:17 am


Originally Posted by murphy
How's you eyesight? The words on the cable claim it's cat 5, but that should have 8 colored wires. It doesn't look like one of these?

Enormous thanks, murphy,

Eyesight is lousy (very strong bifocals).

By adding a magnifying glass to the mix and with the aid of the helpful diagrams you linked, I have determined that I have a crossover ethernet cable.

So I guess if I want to connect my laptop to a modem or, physically, to my router, I'll need to get another ethernet cable (preferably type A).

Or, if I want to use the laptop's internal modem in Europe, I'll need to get an adapter for the modem-cable (telephone-type) that came with the laptop. (Laptop just arrived yesterday and I've only gotten as far as opening the box, so I'm just figuring out what's there.)

vincom Feb 10, 2006 12:23 pm


Originally Posted by roberto99
The (non-crossover) patch patch cables that I make or repair have no labels. Nor do the 50 or so Ithat I have in my basement.

Any non-standard cables that I would touch (like crossover) WOULD get a lebel, though.


Read the cable very very carefully...

-Vincent

RunningWithScissors Feb 10, 2006 12:36 pm


Originally Posted by vincom
Read the cable very very carefully...

-Vincent

I think Roberto99 is in my position as well...

When the cable comes from a thousand foot box, and the connectors come from a bag of fifty, the resulting cable has no label on it to indicate if I made a straight through or crossover cable. Or if I missed a pin somewhere and have an entirely new wiring scheme ;)

In my cases the label is never there (I just look at the plug when I need to verify), but I think roberto99 is a fair sight more conscientious than I am ^

Slightly OT: Bulk Cable + connectors costs significantly less than 50 pc x 10 ft @ Best Buy :D

vincom Feb 10, 2006 1:31 pm


Originally Posted by RunningWithScissors
I think Roberto99 is in my position as well...

When the cable comes from a thousand foot box, and the connectors come from a bag of fifty, the resulting cable has no label on it to indicate if I made a straight through or crossover cable. Or if I missed a pin somewhere and have an entirely new wiring scheme ;)

In my cases the label is never there (I just look at the plug when I need to verify), but I think roberto99 is a fair sight more conscientious than I am ^

Slightly OT: Bulk Cable + connectors costs significantly less than 50 pc x 10 ft @ Best Buy :D

The cable is NEVER labeled str8 or crossover when purchased in bulk, because whether it is one or the other is determined by how you terminate it . When you buy patch cable, read the cable itself, it is labeled.

Bulk cable is ALWAYS labeled what it is certified to on the cable.

-Vincent

ScottC Feb 10, 2006 1:38 pm


Originally Posted by RunningWithScissors
I think Roberto99 is in my position as well...

When the cable comes from a thousand foot box, and the connectors come from a bag of fifty, the resulting cable has no label on it to indicate if I made a straight through or crossover cable. Or if I missed a pin somewhere and have an entirely new wiring scheme ;)

In my cases the label is never there (I just look at the plug when I need to verify), but I think roberto99 is a fair sight more conscientious than I am ^

Slightly OT: Bulk Cable + connectors costs significantly less than 50 pc x 10 ft @ Best Buy :D

That is because BestBuy charges a whopping $19.95 for a frikkin ethernet cable.

FWIW; my source for cheap cables is www.monoprice.com

murphy Feb 10, 2006 1:46 pm

I second the recommendation for monoprice. I bought an hdmi and a couple optical audio cables from them for < $20. The hdmi alone would have been $50 at radio shack or bestbuy.

bpratt Feb 10, 2006 2:23 pm


Originally Posted by murphy
Phone cords are not a worldwide standard. I think bpratt was saying that ethernet cables look like large phone cords, and are a worldwide standard.


Exactly. As opposed to the old days, when you had thick coax 3MB Ethernet, thick coax 10MB Ethernet, thin coax 10MB Ethernet, 10/100 Base T (modern Ethernet), 100MB FDDI, 4 and 16MB token ring, and Arcnet (which I think was also 4MB). And coax ethernet had a variety of different connectors include AUI with slide lock(the worst connector design EVER), bayonet, and vampire taps.

However, if the original poster is in any doubt, a short new Ethernet cable (3-6 feet) should only cost a buck or two at a computer supply store, so you could just buy a new one and toss the old. I just threw away a dozen yesterday because I was cleaning out my garage and couldn't remember which ones were "good" and which were "broken", and it wasn't worth the time to try them. Cheaper to just make some new ones.

Bob

Norri Feb 10, 2006 2:42 pm


Originally Posted by Tennisbum
Enormous thanks, murphy,

Eyesight is lousy (very strong bifocals).

By adding a magnifying glass to the mix and with the aid of the helpful diagrams you linked, I have determined that I have a crossover ethernet cable.

So I guess if I want to connect my laptop to a modem or, physically, to my router, I'll need to get another ethernet cable (preferably type A).

Or, if I want to use the laptop's internal modem in Europe, I'll need to get an adapter for the modem-cable (telephone-type) that came with the laptop. (Laptop just arrived yesterday and I've only gotten as far as opening the box, so I'm just figuring out what's there.)

Chances are you will not need a telephone adapter, normally the wall sockets can be different country to country, but if you unplug the cable at the 'phone end it "should" plug directly into your laptop

roberto99 Feb 10, 2006 3:10 pm


Originally Posted by ScottC
That is because BestBuy charges a whopping $19.95 for a frikkin ethernet cable.

FWIW; my source for cheap cables is www.monoprice.com

That's my source for supplies, too.

Tennisbum Feb 10, 2006 3:12 pm

Another Stupid Question (or, There's Always Something)
 
Okay, so I went to Best Buy to buy a Category 5 ethernet cable and came home with a Category 6 ethernet cable (all they had). "RJ45 male to male".

Stupid question #1: Is this a problem?

Also, before I leave for Europe, I need to set up the new laptop. Now, my network is "wireless", but it has 4 ethernet ports, and I want to plug the laptop into that in order to download Win XP patches, anti-virus updates, etc.

Stupid question #2, et al: Do I have to shut down my entire network, PC, modem, router in order to connect the laptop through the ethernet port?

Does it matter whether I connect the cable to the laptop before or after I connect it to the router? (This is probably important only if the router is not turned off.)

Jet'Dillo Feb 10, 2006 3:14 pm

You should be okay just as long as you're not going to Antarctica or Australia.
The bits run backwards there, just like the water down the drain.
Fortunately, I still have a couple patch cables hanging around from my trip down there a few years ago. Make me an offer and they're yours... :D

gt_croz Feb 10, 2006 4:46 pm

Male to Male? This sounds like OMNI material :D

No worries. The category of the cable just determines the number of twists per meter. The more twists, the more the noise cancellation, the better the signal strength. You can use anything from Cat 3 to Cat 6 and have no worries at all.

RJ45 is the type of connector. It's like a fat phone plug - 8 wires. As long as the 8 wires are in the same order on both ends of the cable than it is a standard ethernet cable.

Ethernet cables are hot-swappable - no need to shut down network equipment. You may however need to reload things at a software level, but no need to shut anything off physically. The order in which you connect the cable matters not.


Originally Posted by Tennisbum
Okay, so I went to Best Buy to buy a Category 5 ethernet cable and came home with a Category 6 ethernet cable (all they had). "RJ45 male to male".

Stupid question #1: Is this a problem?

Also, before I leave for Europe, I need to set up the new laptop. Now, my network is "wireless", but it has 4 ethernet ports, and I want to plug the laptop into that in order to download Win XP patches, anti-virus updates, etc.

Stupid question #2, et al: Do I have to shut down my entire network, PC, modem, router in order to connect the laptop through the ethernet port?

Does it matter whether I connect the cable to the laptop before or after I connect it to the router? (This is probably important only if the router is not turned off.)



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