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Originally Posted by NM
The only reason I keep IE is because Firefox hangs wheneven I try to open a PDF file. I have all the current Firefox patches and using Acrobat 6.0.4.25 Professional.So anytime I come across a .PDF file link I copy it to the clipboard and paste into IE to open it.
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Originally Posted by redbeard911
Most users of Firefox say that the tabbed browsing is one of the best features. How long before Microsoft matches the feature? Will it be in a "Longhorn" edition?
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Originally Posted by ClueByFour
Count me as another one of the "IE exists for websites that won't render in Firefox" (which is marriott, US online checkin, and a couple of corporate intranet apps).
I just booked a stay last night, as a matter of fact . . . |
Gee, I don't have any problems with security, or spyware, or any of the other myriad boogeymen the slashdot crowd always warn about. IE works just fine for me, and I think the tabbed addition in IE7 is pretty cool.
Besides, firefox is slow, and I just don't like the way it works. And I don't like having to install a pile of extensions just to bring it up to basic functionality. Does it have a "stop sucking" extension? |
when sites don't render correctly outside IE, it is a result of poor programming. Firefox follows standards. Microsoft IE does its own thing. Hopefully such sites will disappear.
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Originally Posted by alanw
And I don't like having to install a pile of extensions just to bring it up to basic functionality.
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Originally Posted by murphy
That's a terrible article. Anyone who does a security analysis and ignores the severity of the exploits, and the fix status of the exploits is clearly more interested in pushing his agenda than in discovering the truth.
I don't think anyone claims Firefox is bulletproof, but that article is just plain FUD. If you're an virus/exploit author are you going to target IE, opera, or firefox? windows, Mac, or linux. |
Originally Posted by richard
when I travel I enjoy talking to strangers. On all my trips, whenever it gets around to computers, I invariably hear a story about a computer at home that is too infested with spyware. This is such a huge problem it isn't even funny. A lot of this is due to people using IE, Outlook, unhatched OS, no firewall, etc. But IE is a big reason. Look at Actives for an example of a giant security hole that is designed into the software!!
It isn't hard to install XP SP2, and it isn't hard to turn autoupdate on. These 'strangers' are likely the same dumbasses that get sucked in by paypal or credit card phishing scams, and complain about them later too... |
Originally Posted by pdhenry
I now use IE almost exclusively, but I used an earlier version of Netscape with tabbed browsing. I don't get why tabbed browsing is better than having muliple browser windows open. Crtl-N gets me a new window, Alt-Tab switches windows. What am I missing?
P.S: A full list of all key shortcuts here: http://www.mozilla.org/support/firefox/keyboard |
Originally Posted by skofarrell
So you're disputing the assertation that as OS's or applications rise in popularity/general use, more viruses and expliots are uncovered? :confused:.
Originally Posted by skofarrell
If you're an virus/exploit author are you going to target IE, opera, or firefox? windows, Mac, or linux
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Originally Posted by JadedTraveler
You're missing the equivalent keystorkes in FF. <Ctrl> 1, <Ctrl> 2, <Ctrl> 3, etc sets the focus to Tab 1, 2 or 3. <Ctrl> T opens a new tab, and sets the focus on it. Completely intuitvie once you get used to them.
You can only see one page at a time whether you've tabs or multiple windows. Yes, you can have other tabs loading in the background while you read the current page, but you can do the same with multiple browser windows. Do you save computer resource if you run 1 instance of FF vs multiple instances of IE? Performance-wise, I find FF average out to be the same as IE. Some sites are better with IE, some with FF. I agree with the point of the lack of standards in IE, (that gives us a big headache at our work). But performance on a page-by-page basis isn't what we're talking about. :) I've a big screen at high resolution, so I can have 2 browser windows running side by side, I hop across to each one. Also, I like my computer to be lean and without programs that are not must-have's. Therefore, I just stick with IE - it does what I need. (I suspect this is the kind of attitude Microsoft like customers to have - too lazy to move to something else, but that's a separate discussion altogether...) :) |
Originally Posted by murphy
Nope. I'm saying that the article you cited is alarmist, one sided, agenda pushing crap. I specifically did not say that Firefox bulletproof, or that there aren't plenty of exploits for it. That said, IE's exploits tend to be more severe, and tend to be unpatched longer. IE also has the giant gaping security hole known as ActiveX, which is insecure by design.
Less severe? How about running firefox on linux and it allowing a url to do shell execution?. :D Look, I think firefox is an excellent product. 1.0.7 is loaded on my machine and I use it about 30% of the time. I'm just sick of the smug anti-windows crowd crowing on how much MS sucks at security when the products they run are every bit as bad. The only difference is that no one seems to bother to write expoits for the sub 5% marketshare space. |
Originally Posted by skofarrell
ActiveX was reigned in with SP2.
Less severe? How about running firefox on linux and it allowing a url to do shell execution?. :D Look, I think firefox is an excellent product. 1.0.7 is loaded on my machine and I use it about 30% of the time. I'm just sick of the smug anti-windows crowd crowing on how much MS sucks at security when the products they run are every bit as bad. The only difference is that no one seems to bother to write expoits for the sub 5% marketshare space. 1. With Firefox et al, peer review through open source makes it more secure than proprietary closed code bases. 2. Windows is usually run in the equivalent of root, which isn't as secure 3. Windows is built with an enormous amount of services and code running that nobody seems to understand. Linux is all open and people understand what goes on in it. |
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