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Old May 29, 2021, 12:32 pm
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Originally Posted by nmenaker
Does joining Find My prohibit them from making an app that works on Android as they do today?

I would think the frameworks which access the Find My network would not be available on Android. So the Android version of the app wouldn't be able to tap into that information?

Unless maybe Tile sets up a server to query the Find My Network constantly and then the Android app connects to that network to get updates?

I don't even know if Apple would permit that.
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Old May 29, 2021, 1:20 pm
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Originally Posted by exp
I would think the frameworks which access the Find My network would not be available on Android. So the Android version of the app wouldn't be able to tap into that information?

Unless maybe Tile sets up a server to query the Find My Network constantly and then the Android app connects to that network to get updates?

I don't even know if Apple would permit that.
Will have to see what goes on with Chipolo. See my response to the following.

Originally Posted by nmenaker
Does joining Find My prohibit them from making an app that works on Android as they do today?
Chipolo currently has an app for Android. It also has an app in Apple’s App Store for iOS devices. And it is in an arrangement with Apple to have Chipolo trackers work with Apple’s Find My stuff, although not sure about the implementation timing/plan.
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Old May 29, 2021, 2:22 pm
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So Amazon is going to automatically opt in their devices in 10 days to Sidewalk unless they explicitly opt out.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021...rs/?comments=1

If you use Alexa, Echo, or any other Amazon device, you have only 10 days to opt out of an experiment that leaves your personal privacy and security hanging in the balance.

On June 8, the merchant, Web host, and entertainment behemoth will automatically enroll the devices in Amazon Sidewalk. The new wireless mesh service will share a small slice of your Internet bandwidth with nearby neighbors who don’t have connectivity and help you to their bandwidth when you don’t have a connection.

By default, Amazon devices including Alexa, Echo, Ring, security cams, outdoor lights, motion sensors, and Tile trackers will enroll in the system. And since only a tiny fraction of people take the time to change default settings, that means millions of people will be co-opted into the program whether they know anything about it or not.
I'm glad I've never bought an Amazon device. Was always a dubious proposition because their Kindles had advertising which subsidized the low prices.

Now do their apps also try to log your iPhone or iPads into this invasive scheme?
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Old May 29, 2021, 3:23 pm
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Originally Posted by exp
So Amazon is going to automatically opt in their devices in 10 days to Sidewalk unless they explicitly opt out.

I'm glad I've never bought an Amazon device. Was always a dubious proposition because their Kindles had advertising which subsidized the low prices.

Now do their apps also try to log your iPhone or iPads into this invasive scheme?
This is what is so offensive. Access like this should never be opt-out. I'm sure this is something that Apple and Amazon (and likely something that will loop in Google and Facebook) will get yelled at for. If not in North America, then Europe.
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Old May 29, 2021, 5:01 pm
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Originally Posted by exp
I'm glad I've never bought an Amazon device. Was always a dubious proposition because their Kindles had advertising which subsidized the low prices.

Now do their apps also try to log your iPhone or iPads into this invasive scheme?
Kindles come in two versions--ad-free and cheaper units with ads.
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Old May 29, 2021, 5:35 pm
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Originally Posted by exp
So Amazon is going to automatically opt in their devices in 10 days to Sidewalk unless they explicitly opt out.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021...rs/?comments=1



I'm glad I've never bought an Amazon device. Was always a dubious proposition because their Kindles had advertising which subsidized the low prices.

Now do their apps also try to log your iPhone or iPads into this invasive scheme?
The Sidewalk On/Off control is for the entire Amazon account. For example, I have 2 Echo Dots, 2 Kindles, 3 Phones (2 iPhones and 1 Android) and 1 Android Tablet with Alexa app, but they are all connected to 1 Amazon account. So I only have to opt out once. But I don't think Sidewalk works on Alexa app devices (phone, tablet) not too sure though.. since I already opted out on my account.

As far as ad version of Kindles, it is really not that bad. The ads only show up like a screensaver when you are NOT using the kindle. They are just ads for other books that may interest you.
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Old May 30, 2021, 8:15 am
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I'm curious to see how Chipolo works in comparison to AirTag. It seems like Chipolo will be better overall with the exception of not having the ability to use AR to track down your tracker two steps to the left instead of to the right.
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Old May 30, 2021, 9:12 am
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Originally Posted by StuckInYYZ
Has anyone used these (air tags or tiles) at the carousel in airports? It's a good reassurance that your luggage is with you on the plane, but what about when you're waiting for your luggage to come up? What's the range like in that case (eg, just once it hits the top of the slide or pretty far back on the conveyor belt? Once it's out of the (likely) shielded area, it shouldn't be an issue to track down, but I think people would appreciate knowing that their bags are nearby and about to show up.
I used my airtag in my luggage on my current trip and to be honest it wasnt particularly interesting. Deltas app tells you when your bag was put on/taken off the plane so the airtag was just something to play with.

I think my airtag registered with someones phone on the plane that didnt have airplane mode on because when we were waiting for bags to appear Find My said my airtag was somewhere in rural Georgia that we had flown over 30 mins before.
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Old May 30, 2021, 3:58 pm
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I used my airtag in my luggage on my current trip and to be honest it wasnt particularly interesting. Deltas app tells you when your bag was put on/taken off the plane so the airtag was just something to play with.

I think my airtag registered with someones phone on the plane that didnt have airplane mode on because when we were waiting for bags to appear Find My said my airtag was somewhere in rural Georgia that we had flown over 30 mins before.
Thanks. I think it'd be interesting how far into the bowels of the airport these things might register. Not sure when I'll be in an airport again, but it'd be interesting to see. Every other time I've returned to YYZ, I've had to wait over an hour before finding any checked-in stuff. It'd be nice to know if my stuff made it and is just winding it's way through the maze that is luggage sorting and is just about to pop onto the carousel.

I do agree with someone (maybe in another thread)... if Apple or Tile want to be helpful, put a few "beacons" in the luggage offloading area for the tags/tiles to registered. Doesn't have to be a cell phone, but a specialized device wouldn't hurt and would encourage good will.
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Old May 30, 2021, 9:14 pm
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Thanks. I think it'd be interesting how far into the bowels of the airport these things might register. Not sure when I'll be in an airport again, but it'd be interesting to see. Every other time I've returned to YYZ, I've had to wait over an hour before finding any checked-in stuff. It'd be nice to know if my stuff made it and is just winding it's way through the maze that is luggage sorting and is just about to pop onto the carousel..
It will work anywhere that an Apple device can receive its Bluetooth signal and is connected to cellular or WiFi.
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Old May 31, 2021, 9:44 am
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Originally Posted by exp
I would think the frameworks which access the Find My network would not be available on Android. So the Android version of the app wouldn't be able to tap into that information?

Unless maybe Tile sets up a server to query the Find My Network constantly and then the Android app connects to that network to get updates?

I don't even know if Apple would permit that.
no probably not but if they join Find My they get the benefit of the 1 billion Apple devices on the network at least and they arent worse off than they are with android as it is. Its nearly the best if both worlds other than whatever Apple charges for MFIA and Find My.
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Old May 31, 2021, 10:12 am
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Originally Posted by gfunkdave
It will work anywhere that an Apple device can receive its Bluetooth signal and is connected to cellular or WiFi.
That's the catch. There may not be enough signal to reach the bowels of the airport. If you watch some of the airport documentaries you'll see (as an example) Hethrow and Charlotte are concrete caves with enough metal framework to likely cause some sort of faraday effect. But how likely is it that a signal might make it through to notify you that your luggage is about to pop out.
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Old May 31, 2021, 11:47 am
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Maybe if there are enough AirTags out there, there would be a way for them to ping each other.

No they won't have Internet access but maybe they share the last locations they captured from iOS devices, thus expanding their cloud of devices transmitting locations at a given slice in time?
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Old May 31, 2021, 1:20 pm
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I suspect that would require quite a bit more work. But if they could design some beacons that could be put in places that don't have a lot of access (eg, luggage system in an airport) or maybe subway (but subways have more traffic) I wonder if one of the vendors figure this out, they might gain more users.
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Old May 31, 2021, 8:19 pm
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Originally Posted by nmenaker
Does joining Find My prohibit them from making an app that works on Android as they do today?
Rhetorical? You suggested twice that they should just join the Find My network. That does nothing for non-Apple users of Tile. But the sidewalk network potentially benefits both.

That said, I have no idea what they will do.

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