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Originally Posted by KRSW
(Post 31425501)
I still support a few companies who run DOS-based systems. There simply isn't a replacement system out there for them without completely scrapping all of their equipment, so we keep the old stuff going, which actually is very simple. With VMs, this is even easier. If it's not broke, don't break it! I have no plans to abandon Win7 in my office anytime soon. Only as hardware is replaced, and we hold onto our equipment for a long time.
As many people have discovered, newer isn't always better. Win10's forced upgrades along with Office 365's auto-updates break things with each update. Don't take my word for it -- Microsoft publishes a Known Issues bulletin which talks about this. Invariably, each Windows 10 update breaks our printer drivers and breaks the network links to our accounting system. All brand-name hardware & software being used here. I've even had Windows 10 IGNORE policies and settings which specifically were supposed to prevent it from updating. The settings were there and correct, Windows Update just decided to ignore it. I lost a weeks' worth of data because a batch job got interrupted TWICE by Windows 10 forced reboots. Win10's interface is schizophrenic at best. They have the newer-style menus and windows for some things, but after that you're stuck with the Win 3.11-era dialog boxes and Wizards. Users complain to Microsoft and Microsoft doubles-down by releasing a new update that breaks even more things. The useless and unnecessarily obtuse Powershell is now replacing CMD. What a complete joke of an OS. We've run a Linux/BSD back-end in our office since ~2008. No licensing fees, no CALs, no Patch Tuesday crap, no rebooting the machines to update things either. Uptime is generally 99.99% annually, running on 15-20 year old servers. Even the PBX is *nix based, running on 15-20 year old hardware. It...just...works. Because of all the issues we've had with Windows 10, we've started to deploy Linux user workstations where we can. It's an adjustment for users, but so is Windows 10. Unfortunately some of the software we use still isn't cross-platform yet and we've not found suitable alternatives yet...but when that time comes, I'll be very happy to kick Win10 to the curb. Do I place a lot of faith in Linux? I trust my life to it, literally -- my car's control systems (steering, braking, engine) run on Debian Linux, straight from the manufacturer. I don't imagine there's anyone out there willing to do the same with Win10 or Server 2019. /typing this on a 2009 Macbook Pro running OS X 10.11.6. Replacing w/a Lenovo Thinkpad w/Linux later this year. (You must realize your situation is representative of perhaps 0.01% of the use cases out there.) |
Let's not let this thread devolve into Linux vs Mac vs Windows. :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by KRSW
(Post 31425501)
...I've even had Windows 10 IGNORE policies and settings which specifically were supposed to prevent it from updating. The settings were there and correct, Windows Update just decided to ignore it. I lost a weeks' worth of data because a batch job got interrupted TWICE by Windows 10 forced reboots.
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Originally Posted by gfunkdave
(Post 31426210)
Let's not let this thread devolve into Linux vs Mac vs Windows. :rolleyes:
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Windows 10 could work out decent if you manage to get ahold of a license for the Enterprise LTSB/LTSC edition, which comes with much less bloat by default. You could then get someone in the know to further trim it for you from all the remaining garbage. Or perhaps, if you consider yourself an advanced user and have the time to figure it all out, you could even do it yourself by following the list at https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...osoft-services as a start (note: this is is nowhere near the full extent of what should be done). If done right, you could end up with a decent system (also because earlier Windows versions were not that great to begin with either).
However this is most likely out of reach for the average user, and thus I'd suggest staying with whatever works out for you at the moment, no matter if it is being updated or not. Security in Windows is illusory anyway. |
Just read this over the weekend...Even Microsoft is warning users to update Windows to patch security holes...but the updates might break your computer: https://www.forbes.com/sites/daveywi.../#17691cea2306
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I'm sorry people find Win10 to be so problematic. I've used it now on 5 different computers and found it to be an excellent OS on each of them. (They've all been 64-bit Pro version.)
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I don't find it problematic at all ...
As a host for the 4 virtual machines I actually perform my day-to-day work in :D |
There's one Python based tool we use at work that will cause the entire Windows 10 GUI to freeze up for up to a minute or two at a time (dwm.exe uses 100% of one core during that time) if you use the tool for long enough. I'm not sure why that's the case, unfortunately.
As for everything else, Windows 10 works reasonably well for me--other than the updates happening at inconvenient times. Then again, my IT-administered Windows 7 laptop also eventually forces reboots for updates, so I'm kinda used to it. (BTW, I should look into upgrading my 8.1 system at home. I finally stopped using WMC earlier this year and switched to MythTV after it trashed itself one too many times, thus eliminating my final reason for not upgrading.) |
Sounds like the Python interpreter doesn't play nicely with multiple cores...not sure why that's Win10's fault.
I personally think Win10 is great. I loved 7 and was very worried about upgrading after the debacles of Vista and Win8. Win10 has its annoyances, but they are cosmetic for me - mostly just stuff like "where did Microsoft put the button to do X that used to be here and why did they have to move it?" I do dislike the crap they've pulled with redesigning Office over the last year or two (since Office 2016). Seems like they're always moving stuff around or making you take 3-4 clicks to do something you used to be able to do in one click. |
Originally Posted by gfunkdave
(Post 31456202)
Sounds like the Python interpreter doesn't play nicely with multiple cores...not sure why that's Win10's fault.
I personally think Win10 is great. I loved 7 and was very worried about upgrading after the debacles of Vista and Win8. Win10 has its annoyances, but they are cosmetic for me - mostly just stuff like "where did Microsoft put the button to do X that used to be here and why did they have to move it?" I do dislike the crap they've pulled with redesigning Office over the last year or two (since Office 2016). Seems like they're always moving stuff around or making you take 3-4 clicks to do something you used to be able to do in one click. Anything you need -- just type it in there. The same way you'd hit Windows key and start searching there out on the main OS. No more menu hunting |
Originally Posted by gfunkdave
(Post 31456202)
Sounds like the Python interpreter doesn't play nicely with multiple cores...not sure why that's Win10's fault.
I personally think Win10 is great. I loved 7 and was very worried about upgrading after the debacles of Vista and Win8. Win10 has its annoyances, but they are cosmetic for me - mostly just stuff like "where did Microsoft put the button to do X that used to be here and why did they have to move it?" I do dislike the crap they've pulled with redesigning Office over the last year or two (since Office 2016). Seems like they're always moving stuff around or making you take 3-4 clicks to do something you used to be able to do in one click. Other than that, however, Windows 10 itself has been mostly fine. |
Originally Posted by gfunkdave
(Post 31456202)
I do dislike the crap they've pulled with redesigning Office over the last year or two (since Office 2016). Seems like they're always moving stuff around or making you take 3-4 clicks to do something you used to be able to do in one click.
Originally Posted by deniah
(Post 31456239)
Office suite has the Search bar at the top. Sometimes it has icon of a lightbulb.
Anything you need -- just type it in there. The same way you'd hit Windows key and start searching there out on the main OS. No more menu hunting and get the option of having the nice, clean Office 2003 interface as an option. |
Supposedly there's a group policy key for disabling automatic updates in win 10. gpedit.msc
Doesn't that method work? https://www.windowscentral.com/how-s...lly-windows-10 otherwise you can use the normal updates configuration and pause all updates for 35 days, repeat every 30 days or so. -David |
Automatic updates are a key security feature. Don't disable them. You can tell Win10 to install them after working hours, and you can make sure Win10 prompts you before updating (settings - update & security - Windows update - Advanced Options - Show a Notification when your PC requires a restart to finish updating)
See, my Win10 is was installing an update and needs to restart, so it prompted me. https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...2ef9a370aa.png https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...647cc6fb54.png |
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