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richard Aug 16, 2017 6:11 am

iphone 8 thread
 
I may get one. I have a 6s+ that is perfectly good but a few generations makes a difference as far as cameras are concerned. We shall see.

Are you interested in getting one potentially?

gfunkdave Aug 16, 2017 7:23 am

If the price point I've heard (north of $1000) is correct, then I will not get one. Otherwise I will consider it.

TGarza Aug 16, 2017 9:36 am

Depends on the promotions for the next iPhone. The iPhone 7 promotions were really generous.

Need Aug 16, 2017 10:02 am


Originally Posted by TGarza (Post 28697604)
Depends on the promotions for the next iPhone. The iPhone 7 promotions were really generous.

Exactly. My brother got 5 new iPhone 7 for free after trading in the old iPhone 6's. I wanted to switch to Tmobile from AT&T early this year, but I am waiting for iPhone 8 to come out to see if they offer any good promotion for switching carrier.

CPRich Aug 16, 2017 12:22 pm

Doubtful I'll get a (whatever they call the rumored high-end, OLED, $1000+ phone) at the price point, depending on the level of my employer reimbursement. I'll probably end up with a 7s, replacing my 3-year old 6.

If not for the fact that it's effectively free, I'd be fine sticking with the 6. The screen of a phone is too tiny for any amount of resolution, brightness, color, etc., to make it a viable "home theater" replacement. If I just want to watch a show, the 6 is fine. If i want the experience, it will be on the big screen at home.

Nothing I do really needs the faster processor, better camera, etc., of recent generations.

cblaisd Aug 16, 2017 12:36 pm

I won't upgrade my iPhone 6 (although wouldn't mind finding a 6S) until there is a reliable untethered jailbreak for whatever the latest iOS is.

I fear that iOS 9.0.2 is the last jailbreakable system as Apple buys off the best jailbreakers. :(

radiowell Aug 16, 2017 2:34 pm

I'm not getting one unless they bring back the headphone jack.

Seriously.

TGarza Aug 16, 2017 2:42 pm


Originally Posted by CPRich (Post 28698398)
Doubtful I'll get a (whatever they call the rumored high-end, OLED, $1000+ phone) at the price point, depending on the level of my employer reimbursement. I'll probably end up with a 7s, replacing my 3-year old 6.

If not for the fact that it's effectively free, I'd be fine sticking with the 6. The screen of a phone is too tiny for any amount of resolution, brightness, color, etc., to make it a viable "home theater" replacement. If I just want to watch a show, the 6 is fine. If i want the experience, it will be on the big screen at home.

Nothing I do really needs the faster processor, better camera, etc., of recent generations.

I agree your evaluation about the screen, processor and memory. My only reason to upgrade is the additional bands supported by the new phone.

cboy Aug 16, 2017 2:56 pm

I used to wait every 2 years to upgrade. Now I usually upgrade annually and pass my current phone down to my wife, or kids.


I usually upgrade mainly for the Camera as all my photos when traveling are taken on my phone. The quality is very noticeable between the 4/5/6/7 that ive had so far


Looking forward to the new one.

cboy Aug 16, 2017 2:57 pm


Originally Posted by radiowell (Post 28698907)
I'm not getting one unless they bring back the headphone jack.

Seriously.

not going to happen. even the new pixel phone is supposedly removing the headphone jack.

livebetter_travelmore Aug 16, 2017 3:03 pm

I'll take a wait-and-see. I'm particularly interested in seeing how the home-button rumors work out. If in fact Apple was unsuccessful implementing touch-id under the glass and the other rumor plays out -- i.e. facial recognition -- then I'll definitely hold out. I'm very happy with touch-id and Apple Pay. Though there are relatively few places in the US with terminals that accept Apple Pay, I've used it lots in other countries and don't want to lose that feature.

Yachtman Aug 16, 2017 3:30 pm


Originally Posted by cblaisd (Post 28698466)
I won't upgrade my iPhone 6 (although wouldn't mind finding a 6S) until there is a reliable untethered jailbreak for whatever the latest iOS is.

I fear that iOS 9.0.2 is the last jailbreakable system as Apple buys off the best jailbreakers. :(

Just out of curiosity, why is jailbreaking the phone important? What benefit does it actually give you? I've heard people talk about doing it and never understood why.

EuropeanPete Aug 16, 2017 4:15 pm

I am a ready and waiting customer, but if the price is as high as rumored, then I'd want to see what the additional value is over and above buying one of the new lesser models or an older iPhone 7. My iPhone 6 is absolutely on its last legs, and I had previously upgraded every year.

cblaisd Aug 16, 2017 5:08 pm


Originally Posted by Yachtman (Post 28699126)
Just out of curiosity, why is jailbreaking the phone important? What benefit does it actually give you? I've heard people talk about doing it and never understood why.

There are certain apps I would find it hard to live without and it gives me much finer control over certain aspects of the phone's use and interface that I would be loathe to give up.

wolf72 Aug 16, 2017 8:04 pm

I am reluctant to get the 8 because it does not have the headphone jack. I like things the way they are. I don't want change as far as that is concerned.

And the 8 is too expensive at the moment anyways. If anything, I would get a 7. I am currently still using a 6.

CPRich Aug 17, 2017 8:30 am


Originally Posted by livebetter_travelmore (Post 28699031)
Though there are relatively few places in the US with terminals that accept Apple Pay,

2 million Feb 2016, 4 million and 35% of all retailers as of Dec 2016, I'd project to 5-6M and nearly 50% today - what do you consider "relatively few"?

I use it all the time, everywhere. The slowdown and uncertainty around EMV certainly helped adoption.

CPRich Aug 17, 2017 8:32 am


Originally Posted by EuropeanPete (Post 28699298)
My iPhone 6 is absolutely on its last legs, and I had previously upgraded every year.

Curious - what's not working? Is your phone physically failing or do you actually have processing speed/camera resolution/??? issues with the design? My iPad 2 is finally running into actual resource issues, but my iP6 is fine.

EuropeanPete Aug 17, 2017 8:36 am


Originally Posted by CPRich (Post 28701864)
Curious - what's not working? Is your phone physically failing or do you actually have processing speed/camera resolution/??? issues with the design? My iPad 2 is finally running into actual resource issues, but my iP6 is fine.

When it gets warm (and I live in the Caribbean) one of the colours seems to go and everything turns a bit yellow. The fingerprint reader appears to have stopped working (this might be sw, but I have troubleshooted), and occasionally it will just stay black for 10-20 seconds, which is a bit nerve-wracking.

richard Aug 17, 2017 8:52 am

jailbreaking is an unnecessary security risk so I wouldn't do it.

cblaisd Aug 17, 2017 9:25 am

I consider it an acceptable and necessary security risk.

YMMV.

aww3583 Aug 17, 2017 10:18 am


Originally Posted by CPRich (Post 28701864)
Curious - what's not working? Is your phone physically failing or do you actually have processing speed/camera resolution/??? issues with the design? My iPad 2 is finally running into actual resource issues, but my iP6 is fine.

The battery on my iPhone 6 tanked at 25 months. Took it to a couple of local "specialists" (nearest Apple store is 3 hours away) and they said that's normal for the iPhone 6.

I'd have to charge is 2x per day with normal use and about a 50/50 split between cellular networks and office/home wi-fi.

My wife's 6 is 30 months old and the battery is showing the same symptoms.

SanDiego1K Aug 17, 2017 10:41 am


Originally Posted by aww3583 (Post 28702373)
The battery on my iPhone 6 tanked at 25 months. Took it to a couple of local "specialists" (nearest Apple store is 3 hours away) and they said that's normal for the iPhone 6.

Interesting. My husband's iPhone 6 did the same. We had to replace it. I didn't realize it was a wide spread problem

EuropeanPete Aug 17, 2017 11:38 am

I apparently got lucky - the battery is one thing which is still working like new.

Mauibaby2008 Aug 17, 2017 11:48 am


Originally Posted by EuropeanPete (Post 28702732)
I apparently got lucky - the battery is one thing which is still working like new.

I've had my iPhone 6s+ for at least 2 years now and the battery is surprisingly in very good shape, and I am a power user for sure. Very happy with it but with that being said I will willingly pay $1000 for the new 8. Especially if they let you do the $30-40/month for the rest of your life

gfunkdave Aug 17, 2017 1:40 pm

Yeah, the battery life seems to tank after a couple years - I guess they only plan on so many charge/recharge cycles.

My 6s is about two years old and is starting to do the same thing.

Yachtman Aug 17, 2017 4:58 pm


Originally Posted by cblaisd (Post 28699466)
There are certain apps I would find it hard to live without and it gives me much finer control over certain aspects of the phone's use and interface that I would be loathe to give up.

What sort of additional apps can you get by jail breaking and what sort of extra control do you have?

I was under the impression that jail breaking can expose the phone to security risks and prevent the phone being updated? But I may be naive believing typical corporate propaganda?

cblaisd Aug 17, 2017 5:34 pm


Originally Posted by Yachtman (Post 28704026)
What sort of additional apps can you get by jail breaking and what sort of extra control do you have?

Here are a few:


Originally Posted by cblaisd (Post 26379724)
Was it ever "necessary"? No. Did it and does it add the ability to add apps that significantly improve usability? Of course.

I see nothing in 9.3 that makes me "need" it, but I am still very glad that in the short life of 9.0.2 I was able to jailbreak and can now use the iPhone in a much-improved way.

If Apple will allow Remote Messages (absolutely indispensable to me), Type Status, Upate Hider and the various apps that allow one to use the older versions of Facebook that don't force you into installing Messenger then I may consider not needing jailbreak anymore.

Until then...

Another that is excellent is an app that allows you to easily downgrade apps to their previous versions if you find that a current version is bloaty or has removed key features, etc.

There are a couple of Facebook helper apps that allow you to have much better control over FB and to disable some of the crap, same for the YouTube app.

And then there are several that just make the interface nicer and more useful that Apple won't allow in the app store for some reason.

livebetter_travelmore Aug 18, 2017 12:17 am


Originally Posted by CPRich (Post 28701851)
2 million Feb 2016, 4 million and 35% of all retailers as of Dec 2016, I'd project to 5-6M and nearly 50% today - what do you consider "relatively few"?

I use it all the time, everywhere. The slowdown and uncertainty around EMV certainly helped adoption.

Largest grocery chain in TX -- HEB (and its premium spin-off, Central Market) does not accept Apple Pay (AP). Home Depot and Lowes don't. While Walgreen's does and was one of the earliest adopters, I don't think any other big drug stores like CVS do. No gas pumps do though some gas stations inside the stores sometimes do. In the US, virtually no restaurants -- I've only seen one exception -- provide handheld terminals to use Apple Pay (or any credit card) at the table unlike many other countries. In summary, other than an occasional purchase at Whole Foods and Walgreens and Starbucks, I rarely use AP in the US though I always try. Contrast that with Australia and Canada, where I used AP almost everywhere credit cards are accepted.

Jimmie76 Aug 18, 2017 5:48 pm


Originally Posted by cboy (Post 28699003)
not going to happen. even the new pixel phone is supposedly removing the headphone jack.

I heard someone talking about this lack of jack on the radio when the last iPhone came out. He suggested that the decision was born out of a desire to make the phone thinner but also to help with the waterproofing. I was surprised about the latter because my Samsung XCover phones have always been waterproof and had a headphone socket.

Jimmie76 Aug 18, 2017 5:58 pm


Originally Posted by CPRich (Post 28701851)
2 million Feb 2016, 4 million and 35% of all retailers as of Dec 2016, I'd project to 5-6M and nearly 50% today - what do you consider "relatively few"?

I use it all the time, everywhere. The slowdown and uncertainty around EMV certainly helped adoption.

I was seriously annoyed this morning when I was on the bus and not one but two people wanted to pay with ApplePay. I've nothing against the technology but I do object when people aren't ready to pay with it and hold the bus up. One woman still had her phone in her bag and took a minute to find it.

tmiw Aug 19, 2017 3:10 am

I'm open to buying the iPhone 8, especially if there ends up being a dark mode in iOS. OLED significantly helps with battery life as long as the UI uses darker colors (e.g. white text on a dark gray/black background).


Originally Posted by livebetter_travelmore (Post 28699031)
I'll take a wait-and-see. I'm particularly interested in seeing how the home-button rumors work out. If in fact Apple was unsuccessful implementing touch-id under the glass and the other rumor plays out -- i.e. facial recognition -- then I'll definitely hold out. I'm very happy with touch-id and Apple Pay. Though there are relatively few places in the US with terminals that accept Apple Pay, I've used it lots in other countries and don't want to lose that feature.

I generally double-tap on the Home button instead of relying on the phone to detect the NFC field; it was a lot faster with my old iPhone 6 in my experience. (However, there might not be much difference with the 6s and above.) I mention this because facial recognition might not be a huge issue if NFC is set to turn on whenever the phone is unlocked, which is what Android Pay seems to do. Of course, facial recognition still needs to unlock the phone reliably.


Originally Posted by CPRich (Post 28701851)
2 million Feb 2016, 4 million and 35% of all retailers as of Dec 2016, I'd project to 5-6M and nearly 50% today - what do you consider "relatively few"?

I use it all the time, everywhere. The slowdown and uncertainty around EMV certainly helped adoption.

50% in theory, but how are those places distributed and can one actually use it at all of those places? In my experience a lot of major stores don't train their employees all that well, don't even mention NFC capability on the screen (despite being enabled) and/or make terminals difficult to impossible for customers to access. Realistically it's probably less than 50% considering all that, but it has gotten better.


Originally Posted by livebetter_travelmore (Post 28705014)
In the US, virtually no restaurants -- I've only seen one exception -- provide handheld terminals to use Apple Pay (or any credit card) at the table unlike many other countries.

Restaurants in general are really reluctant to spend money unless they absolutely have to. Low usage of contactless payment + chip and signature + potential (and possibly actual) backlash from customers due to bringing the terminal to the table == keeping things the way they are. More likely what'll happen is restaurants will start letting people pay their bills via mobile apps instead, which accomplishes much the same thing but without requiring nearly the investment that replacing terminals requires.

That said, California Pizza Kitchen and Denny's will let you use Apple Pay but you'll have to pay at the counter.

Dunbar Aug 19, 2017 3:32 pm

The problem I have with Apple Pay is that there's no easy way to determine if a store accepts it. Sometimes they have the wifi looking symbol and don't take it. Having to memorize the names of stores that accept it or asking the cashier kind of defeats the purpose (and the cashiers don't know sometimes.)

I'm planning to get the iPhone 8. I'm not thrilled at the idea of losing Touch ID but one of the mics is failing on my 6S+ so I'm not sure if I could get another year out of it.

davie355 Aug 19, 2017 3:37 pm

An OLED screen on the next iPhone would be as monumental an upgrade as the Retina screen on the iPhone 4.

LordHamster Aug 20, 2017 10:36 am


Originally Posted by Jimmie76 (Post 28708268)
I was seriously annoyed this morning when I was on the bus and not one but two people wanted to pay with ApplePay. I've nothing against the technology but I do object when people aren't ready to pay with it and hold the bus up. One woman still had her phone in her bag and took a minute to find it.

Chances are this same woman wouldn't have had her Oyster card ready either.

davie355 Aug 20, 2017 12:30 pm


Originally Posted by Jimmie76 (Post 28708268)
I was seriously annoyed this morning when I was on the bus and not one but two people wanted to pay with ApplePay. I've nothing against the technology but I do object when people aren't ready to pay with it and hold the bus up. One woman still had her phone in her bag and took a minute to find it.

I seriously do not understand peoples' annoyance at people who hold up the lines. Being annoyed will not make the lines move faster and is counterproductive to one's own mood.

What will make the lines move faster are solutions as implemented in places like NYC and Seattle -- where riders scan their transit cards at the bus stop, before the bus arrives.

maortega15 Aug 20, 2017 5:04 pm


Originally Posted by davie355 (Post 28713901)
What will make the lines move faster are solutions as implemented in places like NYC and Seattle -- where riders scan their transit cards at the bus stop, before the bus arrives.

It's only on select routes at least in NYC.

But what happens when people run towards the bus while the driver waits even longer?! ;)

TGarza Aug 20, 2017 5:21 pm


Originally Posted by davie355 (Post 28713901)
I seriously do not understand peoples' annoyance at people who hold up the lines. Being annoyed will not make the lines move faster and is counterproductive to one's own mood.

What will make the lines move faster are solutions as implemented in places like NYC and Seattle -- where riders scan their transit cards at the bus stop, before the bus arrives.

Agreed. Traveling since it is based on a que and gate check concept can be slowed when people are not prepared for TSA or to pay when they are in a line when payment is expected for a bus or any other item. I take advantage of every opportunity to shorten my wait.

tmiw Aug 20, 2017 5:26 pm


Originally Posted by davie355 (Post 28711170)
An OLED screen on the next iPhone would be as monumental an upgrade as the Retina screen on the iPhone 4.

I'm not sure about that. Apple seems to prioritize color accuracy over vividness, so things might not look much different if/when they adopt that technology. The main difference will be battery life, but even then that'll depend on whether iOS continues to keep a lot of its lighter-colored UI.

Jimmie76 Aug 20, 2017 5:35 pm


Originally Posted by LordHamster (Post 28713462)
Chances are this same woman wouldn't have had her Oyster card ready either.

That's always possible and as I say I've nothing against the technology. Although another woman just waved her bag in front of the reader and the Oyster card was read from inside.

Jimmie76 Aug 20, 2017 5:55 pm


Originally Posted by davie355 (Post 28713901)
I seriously do not understand peoples' annoyance at people who hold up the lines. Being annoyed will not make the lines move faster and is counterproductive to one's own mood.

My annoyance was because we'd been waiting for the bus for ages and the delay caused us to miss the lights. These lights are at a crossroads and missing them adds at least two minutes to your journey, more if there are vehicles in front. I wouldn't have been quite so annoyed if I wasn't running late for work already through no fault of my own.


Originally Posted by davie355
What will make the lines move faster are solutions as implemented in places like NYC and Seattle -- where riders scan their transit cards at the bus stop, before the bus arrives.

They don't take cash anymore on London buses which has speeded things up.


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