nkedel

I think you want a consumer machine, not a business one.

I don't know of any of the current-generation professional-line machines that have USB-C or Thunderbolt; some of the mobile workstations do (although Dell's are still "optional, coming soon.")

As for the keyboard, are you saying you want to go back to the older Thinkpad design? If so, other than waiting for the Retro Thinkpad that may or may not ever come, you're kind of out of luck (and ditto the odds of anyone else going back to a traditional full-7-row design are quite low.)

Compared to most of the consumer machines' stripped down keyboards, it's a pretty good one (which is a low bar, I grant.)

Dodge DeBoulet

Yeah, butt the Lenovo website was still showing "coming soon" for the P50 after CDW started taking orders, with confirmed pricing.

WQHD is listed as an option right on the Lenovo page I linked to; whether that counts as confirmation or not may still be a question

None of the models currently shown on PSREF include the nVidia chip, but they're all i5s with FHD displays.

nkedel

I thought CDW only does build to order for customers big enough to get a custom SKU?

*lol* I'd expect that to be a confirmation. Shows how much I've read it; I pretty much just look "Orderable? Nope? BBL."

Based on the early information about the new Nvidia chips in the T-series, the 940MX in the T460p will likely be basically worthless -- too slow (and with no double-precision support) for most professional 3D use, much too slow for gaming, and the regular HD 530 graphics fast enough for everything else.

Dodge DeBoulet

I have no idea; you pointed me at CDW back when I noted that Lenovo was finally showing availability for the P50, indicating that they'd been on CDW for a couple of weeks. That's why I was surprised that you'd believe Lenovo's availability information.

That's disappointing

nkedel

I hadn't checked CDW on the T460p, although I probably should have.

re: lower-end discrete GPUs:
I think it's more a matter of the integrated GPUs having gotten that good than that the discrete ones are bad.

As I said (not sure whether is ended up in this thread or the other one) I am really pretty psyched for the Iris Pro 580 iGPUs. They should be competitive with midrange discrete units, and fit into machines with a very reasonable thermal envelope and battery life.

I don't yet know if that will include any of the mainstream business models, but I'm hoping...

chx1975

2017, David Hill said so in a recent interview. I am waiting patiently with my T420. (Of which I have two, one brand new, in case one breaks.)

nkedel

Quite a lot can happen what is, in this industry, a full generation out. I hope it actually materializes, as well.

Dodge DeBoulet

FYI, detailed platform spec sheet for the T460P is now available on PSREF.

nkedel

Thanks for posting that. Looks, if I can tell correctly, like it's (like the Dells) either M.2 or 2.5", not both as with the T440p.

Also, the base screen is IPS, which is nice. A bit sad there isn't an Iris Pro option, but not surprised -- I suspect that is mostly going to be on consumer-market machines.

Dodge DeBoulet

With SSDs and M.2 storage approaching "ludicrous capacity" I think this platform ticks all of the boxes on my list.

I'm hoping the i7 models with WQHD displays aren't too far out (and that the 135w power brick isn't too massive, since I expect that'll be what's shipped with them).

roberino

I got a XPS15 with i7 quad core Skylake, 16GB DDR4 RAM and 1TB SSD. Immediately upgraded it to 32GB. Ran it for the first time with a sizeable data reduction task this week and it chomped through it. Didn't even have enough time to make a coffee, whereas my old laptop (single core i5, 4GB DDR3 RAM) would have probably crashed about five times an hour and sometimes took 16 hours to run the same datasets. I'm not super-techy like some of you guys but I know an improvement when I see one!

DenverBrian

Of course, it's the T460p, not the T60p.

I had a T60p. Wonderful machine. Wouldn't go back to it if you paid me.

timfountain

Single Core i5? What CPU would that be?

Dodge DeBoulet

LOL, yes it is. Sorry for the typo. Fixed

nkedel

I'm not sure 1TB is "ludicrous capacity" and 1TB in M.2 isn't available at retail yet, just at very high cost through OEMs. Seeing as I'm running 2x 1TB now, I don't love having to buy a 2TB 2.5" disk with any of the new systems I'm looking at (except big workstation class ones) but none of the models I'm looking at (and I've given up on the P50 or Dell M7510 on cost grounds) take both an M.2 + a 2.5" drive.

I'd expect it to be 90W with no discrete GPU, and 135W with a dGPU -- the comparable Dell model can run on 65W with no dGPU. I've already weighed in on my opinion of the value of the 940MX although with no Iris Pro 580 option, it may still be enough better than the HD 530 for some users' needs.

Personally, if I get it, it will still be iGPU-only.