FlyerTalk Forums

FlyerTalk Forums (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/index.php)
-   Travel Technology (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/travel-technology-169/)
-   -   Cryptolocker: How To Avoid It, What To Do If You Get It (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/travel-technology/1524298-cryptolocker-how-avoid-what-do-if-you-get.html)

glob99 Nov 24, 2013 8:27 pm

Maybe setup a virtual machine for surfing and reading email.

Vulcan Nov 24, 2013 8:45 pm


Originally Posted by glob99 (Post 21848001)
Maybe setup a virtual machine for surfing and reading email.

Is there a relatively easy way to do this?

nkedel Nov 24, 2013 9:37 pm


Originally Posted by Vulcan (Post 21848119)
Is there a relatively easy way to do this?

Depends on the value of "easy" involved.

https://www.virtualbox.org/ is a free and very easy virtualization program.

There are a number of Linux-based LiveCDs which can be used to run in it, very easily. Knoppix used to be the best known: http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html

Many instructions on running a LiveCD in Virtualbox out there, here's the first relatively friendly one I can find, there are probably better out ther:
http://www.kombitz.com/2009/10/16/ho...on-virtualbox/

Landing Gear Nov 25, 2013 2:52 pm

I received a very timely email today from Webroot. I must have had their software many years ago. [Please note: I do not work for this or any other software or hardware company. I am merely sharing this information.]

It refers me to a page headlined CryptoLocker Malware: What you still need to know.

Here is the point of interest to this thread:
"Can Webroot Protect Customers Against It?

Not only will Webroot will be able to stop CryptoLocker before it infects your machine and if it manages to get through, our technology will be able to rollback the damage done using advanced journaling, but we're also the ONLY company that can offer this kind of help."

Reactions? Thoughts?

And now for the bad news:
"We will not be able to decrypt files hijacked by CryptoLocker on a system that was infected before Webroot was on the machine and the remediation will not be possible on a network drive that does not have Webroot SecureAnywhere installed on it."
Would you buy this?

sbjnyc Nov 25, 2013 5:44 pm

I wonder if they put a control file on your computer to back out the encryption key in the event of an infection.

antonknee Nov 25, 2013 7:08 pm


Originally Posted by nerd (Post 21840650)
Doesn't this depend on whether your email client (whether it's desktop-based or browser-based) shows extensions? Or are they saying that Microsoft Outlook doesn't show extensions?

Another reason to ditch Outlook, OP.

To be fair the problem is not that Outlook doesn't show file extensions (it does) but that Windows Explorer by default does not.

You'd see the file was a .zip in Outlook, then download it and extract it. Then looking at it in Explorer, you would not see that the extension was .exe rather than .pdf (unless you had specifically unhidden file extensions).

This is a rather nasty bit of malware though, quite malicious.

nkedel Nov 25, 2013 8:19 pm


Originally Posted by Landing Gear (Post 21853147)
I received a very timely email today from Webroot. I must have had their software many years ago. [Please note: I do not work for this or any other software or hardware company. I am merely sharing this information.]

I used to use their product "Spy Sweeper"; some of the changes to their licensing and functionality turned me off, and I stopped using it. As this was all on XP pre-Vista, and thus 7+ years ago, I don't remember what the deal was.

There are a number of journaling local backup products; it sounds like roughly what they're offering.

I know a couple of people who used to swear by Norton GoBack, but it's no longer sold and was never updated for Windows 7. Some discussion of newer ones: I think I've heard of "Rollback RX." http://community.spiceworks.com/topi...windows-7-or-8

cblaisd Nov 25, 2013 9:24 pm


Originally Posted by antonknee (Post 21854332)
To be fair the problem is not that Outlook doesn't show file extensions (it does) but that Windows Explorer by default does not.

One of the very first things I do with a new computer is turn on extensions in Windows Explorer.

nkedel Nov 25, 2013 10:16 pm


Originally Posted by cblaisd (Post 21854951)
One of the very first things I do with a new computer is turn on extensions in Windows Explorer.

Yes. Ditto showing hidden files.

Both are very bad defaults, and fixing them is something I'll do within a few minutes of sitting down at a machine (even someone else's.)

cblaisd Nov 25, 2013 10:35 pm

Absolutely on hidden files. Agree. Should have mentioned.

I can mildly sort of understand why MS would default to not showing hidden files, but never did understand the justification for thinking "regular" users should default to not seeing the actual file name and extension.

nkedel Nov 25, 2013 11:42 pm


Originally Posted by cblaisd (Post 21855214)
Absolutely on hidden files. Agree. Should have mentioned.

I can mildly sort of understand why MS would default to not showing hidden files, but never did understand the justification for thinking "regular" users should default to not seeing the actual file name and extension.

The justification was that back in 1995, Macs didn't have file extensions, and it was seen as a more user friendly solution -- despite being annoying on old Macs.

javabytes Nov 26, 2013 1:12 am


Originally Posted by WWGuy (Post 21844848)
Actually many of us enlightened Earthlings do perform daily backups to avoid unexpected data loss.

2TB USB desktop and portable backup solutions, including automated backup software, are available for less than $100. The Seagate Backup Plus family of products is just one example.

The cost is minimal. The initiative and discipline to perform daily backups is priceless.

And CryptoLocker will just as quickly encrypt your USB hard drives. And mapped network drives.

Not to mention an external hard drive might safeguard against drive failure, but not physical disasters such as your house burning down.

So truly enlightened Earthlings will have a fairly more robust backup system. ;)

mikew99 Nov 26, 2013 5:28 am


Originally Posted by ScottC (Post 21841972)
Q: Cryptolocker: What To Do If You Get It

A: Restore your backup from last night.

IMHO, this is really the Right Answer.

Unfortunately, making backups is one of those lessons that most (if not all) human beings have to learn the hard way, through the painful, repeated loss of data that they care about. When people tell me that they have lost their phone and need my number again, that tells me that not only have they not backed up their phone, but they probably aren't backing up their laptop or desktop, either, and I can expect a call from them when their hard drive eventually fails.

Due to my interest in computers at a very young age, I learned this lesson decades ago (anyone remember cassette tape storage?) and have developed a multi-tiered system of backups which ensure that no single loss is catastrophic. (For example, most of my important data exists in 3 or 4 different physical locations not all connected via a network.) There's no way to prevent all loss, but I figure that if a meteor takes out the entire western seaboard, I'll have bigger problems.

No, it's not easy, and it's not simple. But backing up the data you value is the best way to guard against not only ransomware, but against a lot of other stuff that can happen to your data. I just wish there were a way to get folks to learn from the mistakes of others instead of learning it the hard way, as I had to do.

comptr Nov 26, 2013 5:59 am

here is a link to a youtube video explaining what Crypto locker is by the host of Security Now on the twit network: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBXrncdEifo

WWGuy Nov 26, 2013 9:56 am


Originally Posted by javabytes (Post 21855631)
And CryptoLocker will just as quickly encrypt your USB hard drives. And mapped network drives.

Not to mention an external hard drive might safeguard against drive failure, but not physical disasters such as your house burning down.

So truly enlightened Earthlings will have a fairly more robust backup system. ;)

Perhaps. I wasn't suggesting USB external drives as the ideal solution. I was rebutting the OP's argument that most people don't perform daily backups because it's too expensive and/or too much work.

My backup solution is certainly a little more complex. I work out of a remote office where I manage and maintain several physical PC and laptops, as well as a dozen or so virtual machines. Thus USB drive backups aren't practical for my architecture for several reasons.

I use MS Server 2012 Essentials to backup all client machines (physical and virtual) daily to mirrored drives on the server. The mirrored drives on the server are periodically backed up to an additional drive on the server, which is periodically swapped with another drive stored off-site. This solution also supports automatic backup to Microsoft's cloud, but I'm not currently using it. Once I set the system up my only incremental effort is to periodically swap the server backup drive with it's off-site partner.

Is that enlightened enough? This is an open invitation to all to suggest improvements or alternatives if you see any holes in my strategy.


Originally Posted by mikew99 (Post 21856291)
Unfortunately, making backups is one of those lessons that most (if not all) human beings have to learn the hard way, through the painful, repeated loss of data that they care about.

Amen. Been there. Done that. Lesson learned.


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:06 am.


This site is owned, operated, and maintained by MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Designated trademarks are the property of their respective owners.