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oldpenny16 Nov 28, 2011 9:29 am

Yes, that's the Hilton set up! Weak coffee!
 

Originally Posted by Mike Rivers (Post 17525857)
This must be the Hilton 2-cup brewer that you're talking about.

http://www.appliancemagazine.com/ima...wMedia-web.jpg

I haven't encountered one of those yet, but I found some discussion about it on a (of course there's one) "Single-serve coffee brewers" forum. While Cuisinart makes this model exclusively for Hilton, they have a consumer model, though oddly it's not on the Cuisinart web site. It comes in a single and double (like the Hilton version) model and uses the same "loose" pod that the Hilton machine uses. The people in that forum seem to love it, except for one.

Amazon is good about taking returns, so I suppose I could buy an Aeropress from them, try it at home, and if it's too much bother I could send it back. But I'd prefer seeing things before I buy them. I'm not concerned about complexity in setup and operation, I'm more concerned with cleanup. I have a certain streak of sympathy for hotel housekeeping staff and I cringe a bit when when there's no liner in the trash can and I have to dump the grounds directly into the can. And I've been in enough hotel rooms with slow-running sinks that I don't want to wash the grounds down the drain.

I've made it somewhat tolerable by adding a packet of Starbuck's Via to each cup of coffee.

Coffee on cruise ships is universally bad unless you buy a premium (extra cost) cup of coffee.

Maybe Santa will buy me something nice in this department like the Aeropress.

tentseller Nov 28, 2011 10:49 am


Originally Posted by Mike Rivers (Post 17525857)
This must be the Hilton 2-cup brewer that you're talking about.

http://www.appliancemagazine.com/ima...wMedia-web.jpg

I haven't encountered one of those yet, but I found some discussion about it on a (of course there's one) "Single-serve coffee brewers" forum. While Cuisinart makes this model exclusively for Hilton, they have a consumer model, though oddly it's not on the Cuisinart web site. It comes in a single and double (like the Hilton version) model and uses the same "loose" pod that the Hilton machine uses. The people in that forum seem to love it, except for one.

Amazon is good about taking returns, so I suppose I could buy an Aeropress from them, try it at home, and if it's too much bother I could send it back. But I'd prefer seeing things before I buy them. I'm not concerned about complexity in setup and operation, I'm more concerned with cleanup. I have a certain streak of sympathy for hotel housekeeping staff and I cringe a bit when when there's no liner in the trash can and I have to dump the grounds directly into the can. And I've been in enough hotel rooms with slow-running sinks that I don't want to wash the grounds down the drain.

:td::td::td:

Don't let the Lavazza and Cuisinart name fool you, the brew from this contraption is not Lavazza quality nor the quality from my brother's Cuisinart full size drip brewer.

deirdre Nov 28, 2011 7:20 pm


Originally Posted by Upstate (Post 17526243)
The Aeropress is actually the easiest thing I have found for cleanup. The grinds come out as a puck like an espresso machine. You just hold it over the trash can and push it out. Then a quick rinse and you are done.

An Aeropress is also smaller than any French press I've seen, and the cleanup is better than anything. It gets all the water out, so it's extremely easy to clean because of the puck-like grinds. For $20 and the size, I can't see how anyone would do any better.

blackjack-21 Nov 28, 2011 7:30 pm

Yep. that's exactly the Cuisinart coffee makers we've seen in several properties. Those blue and silver Lavazza coffee packs were at the Hilton Suites in Boca, but up here we get the "Villa Gold" Arabica packets which seem a bit stronger and better tasting then the Lavazza brand.

Across the street from the Hilton NF, at the Fallsview Casino Resort, they use the Kuerig coffeemakers which brew Timothy's Seattle coffee. Not bad compared to some other blends.

bj-21.

bigguyinpasadena Nov 29, 2011 8:15 am

The problem is with any of these 1-2 cup drip makers is that the hot water is not in contact with the coffee long enough for proper extraction. Add to this that many do not get to a proper brew temperture right off and the small quantity of (usually poor quality)quantity of coffee portioned into that little pod.
My infusion water heater works for the first problem-but short of carrying your own coffee nothing is going to make a great cup in a hotel room.

nerd Nov 29, 2011 9:22 am


Originally Posted by Middle_Seat (Post 17514019)
Have you tried putting 2 packets into the coffee maker simultaneously? If you use both the caffeinated and the decaf packets, stacked one atop the other, you get stronger (darker) coffee.

I've never had one overflow, but I suppose that could happen.

I've found this trick works pretty well - there simply is not enough coffee in the packets to make a cup of coffee that tastes like, well, coffee. :) Add to that the fact that it's pre-ground and pretty stale...

N965VJ Nov 29, 2011 11:45 am


Originally Posted by Mike Rivers (Post 17513092)
In my continued efforts to make my hotel rooms a little more home-like (I bring my own unclogged shower head, too),

Wow, that's hard core! :cool:


Originally Posted by Mike Rivers (Post 17525857)
I have a certain streak of sympathy for hotel housekeeping staff and I cringe a bit when when there's no liner in the trash can and I have to dump the grounds directly into the can. And I've been in enough hotel rooms with slow-running sinks that I don't want to wash the grounds down the drain.

Why not flush them down the loo?



Originally Posted by etch5895 (Post 17513526)
In Europe, the norm seems to be a hot pot and a packet or two of instant coffee, so at least you have some degree of control over the cleanliness.

I love those little packets, but then I drink instant at home, too.



Originally Posted by bigguyinpasadena (Post 17514043)
Much easier/cleaner soloution. Buy one of those travel hot pots-or an imersable water heater and put the filter packs directly in the hot water cover and let set a few minutes,remove filter pack. Much better tasting/stronger coffee IMO.

Add a packet of hot chocolate mix for a cup of Bust-... CoffeeŽ :D

Mike Rivers Nov 30, 2011 4:17 am


Originally Posted by deirdre (Post 17530208)
An Aeropress is also smaller than any French press I've seen, and the cleanup is better than anything. It gets all the water out, so it's extremely easy to clean because of the puck-like grinds. For $20 and the size, I can't see how anyone would do any better.

This seems to be the most popular suggestion. Does anyone travel with one, though? I've found a local store that sells them, and I'm going to pay one a visit this week to see what they actually look like and how one would pack in a generally full carry-on.

The water temperature is a concern, though. The general consensus, and I'd agree, is that the in-room coffee brewers that don't make good coffee also wouldn't make water that's hot enough. An immersion heater seems to be the solution here. That doesn't take up much room, but it requires something solid to contain the water while heating. (Yes, I tried using it with a styrofoam cup full of water once) I usually carry a heavy glass cup (least likely one I have to break) and it doesn't really take up significant room since I can stuff a pair of socks inside.

Using the cup I'm going to drink from for heating the water for brewing with, say, a filter funnel, is a problem. It usually takes two pours of water to get a cup of coffee and that won't work when the cup for the hot water and the finished coffee are the same. A French press or the Aeropress, it seems, would not have this problem so this seems to be the best solution so far.

Mike Rivers Nov 30, 2011 4:23 am


Originally Posted by bigguyinpasadena (Post 17533155)
The problem is with any of these 1-2 cup drip makers is that the hot water is not in contact with the coffee long enough for proper extraction.

The weak appearing and weak tasting coffee is surely evidence of this. With the 1-cup makers that I've experienced, it's barely the color of weak tea. I don't understand why anyone thinks these things actually work. Maybe everybody who tries one just assumes that the one in his or her room is broken and just gives up. I ask at the desk if they have a different model coffee maker (they sometimes actually do - apparently housekeepers are like me, and hate to throw things away). I also leave a comment on the comment card or send an e-mail to the manager.


Add to this that many do not get to a proper brew temperture right off and the small quantity of (usually poor quality)quantity of coffee portioned into that little pod.
I'm sure that's the case as well. The coffee, in addition to being weak, doesn't seem to be very hot, though I've not brought along a thermometer to check it. They may be concerned about liability should a guest spill coffee on himself and sue the hotel.


My infusion water heater works for the first problem-but short of carrying your own coffee nothing is going to make a great cup in a hotel room.
No problem here. I carry my own coffee, or buy some locally if it's more than a 2-3 day trip.

Mike Rivers Nov 30, 2011 4:25 am


Originally Posted by N965VJ (Post 17534722)
I love those little packets, but then I drink instant at home, too.

I've heard good things about Nescafe Classic which I can find in the international foods section of my local grocery store, but only in a fairly large jar for about $8. That's a lot of bad coffee to have around if I don't like it.

Mike Rivers Nov 30, 2011 4:31 am


Originally Posted by Letitride3c (Post 17517794)
If one wanted to use a portable immersion water heater - just make sure its a newer one with built-in safety for low water & high temperature cutoff, and plug into (when possible) a GFCI-outlet.

I wasn't aware that immersion heaters had progressed that far. I have a cheap and simple one that I think I got when I was trying the French press "travel mug" rig about 20 years ago. It takes about the length of a shower to get an 8 ounces of water to just about to start boiling. I'd prefer to not use a system that defines the order in which I must do my morning activities.

deirdre Nov 30, 2011 4:53 pm


Originally Posted by Mike Rivers (Post 17539232)
This seems to be the most popular suggestion. Does anyone travel with one, though?

I always do, and I travel with ground beans. I use the in-room coffee maker for heating water generally. It's not great temp-wise, but I'm too lazy to travel with an electric kettle or immersion heater. Sure is better than what they offer already, though.

N965VJ Nov 30, 2011 5:14 pm


Originally Posted by Mike Rivers (Post 17539250)
I've heard good things about Nescafe Classic which I can find in the international foods section of my local grocery store, but only in a fairly large jar for about $8. That's a lot of bad coffee to have around if I don't like it.

That's what I drink all the time, and they also have them in single serve packets sized for an 8 oz mug. There is (or was) another brand that had coffee in tea bags, but I didn't like it as much. I think it was Maxwell House.

Mike Rivers Dec 1, 2011 4:46 am


Originally Posted by deirdre (Post 17543179)
I always do [travel with an Aeropress], and I travel with ground beans. I use the in-room coffee maker for heating water generally.

I got one yesterday and I'm now drinking my second cup of coffee made with it. I'm not sure it's a keeper yet, but it has potential. I'm using like you do, and as I'd be likely to do in a hotel room, using my filter/drip pot for hot water. It's about 170 degrees (175 is recommended). I really think the water needs to be hotter. Next cup will be with water heated on the stove just as a control for the experiment.

One trick that was immediately obvious to me when I opened the package is that it uses more coffee than what's the conventional formula. A "standard" coffee scoop is 2 tablespoons, which is officially recommended for a 6 oz cup. I usually use two scoops (4 tbsp) for an 8 oz cup. But two scoops with the Aeropress scoop is 6 tbsp. No wonder it brews a strong cup. ;)

Mike Rivers Dec 1, 2011 4:50 am


Originally Posted by N965VJ (Post 17543298)
That's [Nescafe Classic] what I drink all the time, and they also have them in single serve packets sized for an 8 oz mug.

Upon further research, it turns out that the recommendation I heard was for Nescafe Classico, which is different from Classic. We have a few Latino markets around here, which apparently is where it can be found. Someone on line reported finding a package of 8 individual packets in a FoodMart for $1.04 but I suspect that may have been a mistake or an old price. The on-line price is about a buck less than the Starbucks Via.


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