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antirealist Sep 29, 2011 12:42 am


Originally Posted by dawk (Post 17189990)
Actually the biggest disappointment is lack of 3G. Would have been sweet with the same kind of global no-fee 3G as eInk Touch or Keyboard models...

That would be rather like buying a cellphone handset and expecting to get the service for free.

dawk Sep 29, 2011 6:12 am


Originally Posted by antirealist (Post 17191183)
That would be rather like buying a cellphone handset and expecting to get the service for free.

Well... I wouldn't mind that. Would you? Amazon already spoiled users with free data over 3G on other devices...

Actually I wouldn't even mind paying some reasonable monthly fee. What kills me is data roaming.

cordelli Sep 29, 2011 7:14 am

They could allow you the same service you currently get for free in their other devices, and offer some type of upgrade to full service for browsing, etc.

The boards on Amazon are speculating it will happen next year. Though if they announced it now, they could not flood the market with them now, get people hooked, and sell them the new one in a few months.

pseudoswede Sep 29, 2011 7:17 am

That's because you won't be doing bandwidth-intensive stuff on an eInk device (can you even access YouTube or Hulu?). If they offered the same on the Fire, it would only be a matter of time before someone found a way to use the 3G modem for unlimited data.

I liken it to having to choose from a rental car parking lot full of golf carts...until someone unlocked the gate that contains the parking lot full of Ferraris.

Gigantor Sep 29, 2011 7:29 am

The Sony Tablet S and the Samsung Tablet 10.1 look like better devices... and finally providing an alternative to the iPad 2.

DenverBrian Sep 29, 2011 7:58 am

An article linking the Kindle Fire to a possible Amazon strategy to acquire Netflix:

http://www.thestreet.com/story/11262...cm_ven=GOOGLEN

The company has been beefing up its streaming content library, most recently striking a deal with Fox for its movies and television shows.

While Wedbush analyst Michael Pachter said he doesn't see the tablet as a huge threat to Netflix, he does believe it makes an acquisition of the company by Amazon more likely.

"In our view, Amazon has always wanted to be in the streaming business, and has been constrained from buying Netflix due to tax considerations," Pachter wrote in a note last week.

dtsm Sep 29, 2011 8:12 am

Not a competitor but a complement to iPad
 
From a very respected Mac guru [and general technology]: http://tidbits.com/article/12526?rss.

He does a fairly balanced and in depth review, one of the first good articles published since yesterday's announcement.


PS - another article: http://www.macworld.com/article/1625...#lsrc.rss_main. Funny that the Macworld is doing such a quick evaluation and review :)

And worth mentioning, amazon's extremely liberal return policy: 30 days to try it, return for full refund, no questions asked.

SkiAdcock Sep 29, 2011 1:27 pm


Originally Posted by cordelli (Post 17189857)
Did I read the specs right for it, it won't do anything without wifi?

I can understand needing wifi to surf the internet, but it's a step backwards not to be able to download books without it.

Does it use whispernet like the other Kindles, or is it only wifi?

BTW - a FTer visited me a few weeks ago. Had an ipad, but only connects via wifi because she didn't want another data plan/cost. That actually appeals to me for the same reason. But odds are I won't get either a ipad or Fire or whatever next year's 3G models are until next year, so I've got time to think about it/reconsider.


Originally Posted by dawk (Post 17189990)
Actually the biggest disappointment is lack of 3G. Would have been sweet with the same kind of global no-fee 3G as eInk Touch or Keyboard models...

They're coming out with two 3G models (code-named Coyote & Hollywood) next year, based on articles I read.


Originally Posted by DenverBrian (Post 17190963)
That much lower? Yes indeedy. That much inferior? Hardly.

The eWeek article I read today said that the quality is actually pretty good, as is the price point. And they compared it to the Gillette marketing strategy - ie, you don't want to sell the razors but the razor blades.

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and-...Razors-145524/

Cheers.

DenverBrian Sep 29, 2011 4:40 pm


Originally Posted by SkiAdcock (Post 17194232)
Does it use whispernet like the other Kindles, or is it only wifi?

BTW - a FTer visited me a few weeks ago. Had an ipad, but only connects via wifi because she didn't want another data plan/cost. That actually appeals to me for the same reason. But odds are I won't get either a ipad or Fire or whatever next year's 3G models are until next year, so I've got time to think about it/reconsider.



They're coming out with two 3G models (code-named Coyote & Hollywood) next year, based on articles I read.



The eWeek article I read today said that the quality is actually pretty good, as is the price point. And they compared it to the Gillette marketing strategy - ie, you don't want to sell the razors but the razor blades.

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and-...Razors-145524/

Cheers.

But...but...the device has to be more expensive! That's what makes it a superior product!

Sincerely,
Apple FanBoy

dawk Sep 29, 2011 6:01 pm


Originally Posted by Gigantor (Post 17192160)
The Sony Tablet S and the Samsung Tablet 10.1 look like better devices... and finally providing an alternative to the iPad 2.

If the rumour that Fire is pretty much same hardware as Playbook is true, Galaxy Tab 10.1 is definitely far more superior.

Did any of the dear FTers actually got their hands on Fire? Wondering how deeply Amazon customized the OS...

Tummy Sep 29, 2011 9:21 pm

Is nobody concerned that all your data will be passing through Amazon's server farm via their new browser?

While I'm sure they won't retain info that is personally identifiable to you, they will know every page their users visit, every site, competitor, item you buy, how much paid, etc.

They may be selling the device for $199, but Amazon will be getting much more than that in the end.

Tummy Sep 29, 2011 9:25 pm


Originally Posted by antirealist (Post 17191183)
That would be rather like buying a cellphone handset and expecting to get the service for free.

I bought a 3G Kindle (with special offers) a couple months ago and in fact it is just that, absolutely free unlimited 3G service via their "experimental" browser. It even works, very slowly, on cruise ships without any data roaming charges (usually $20 USD / MB). Lets us check our email or browse, very slowly, worldwide for free.

jonlien Sep 29, 2011 10:26 pm

I will not buy the Fire but instead get the Kindle Touch. I already have an iPad so the Fire will not add much value to me. However, I hear a 2nd generation Fire will be appearing in Q1 of 2012. I will wait for that one to see if it will be better. I am just not that excited about the Fire as I was for the iPad.

antirealist Sep 29, 2011 10:36 pm


Originally Posted by Tummy (Post 17196454)
Lets us check our email or browse, very slowly, worldwide for free.

What makes you feel entitled to that? I've had a Kindle since they first became available, and currently have three, all with 3G capability. I only use the cellular capability to buy books, or download from the cloud, in the absence of WiFi access.

The Fire is designed for audio and video. If it's used as a wireless device, it's going to consume a lot of bandwidth. I can't understand why anyone would expect the vendor to pay for it.

Tummy Sep 30, 2011 5:24 am


Originally Posted by antirealist (Post 17196702)
What makes you feel entitled to that?

If they didn't want us to use it, they would have pushed down a software update to disable it. Or maybe force you to be on wifi with the browser.


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