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nmenaker May 16, 2011 11:32 am

yes
 

Originally Posted by gfunkdave (Post 16394399)
Did you check the source code of the implementation? Are you certain that it was correctly implemented?

yeah, I remember having a thorough review done by a couple of outside third parties, including the founder of CPS, security engineer from ?filenet? can't remember, they did all the authentication for POS for visa?

Anyway, if I recall there was essentially a small DMZ on the card. the biometric would authenticate with the server and allow access for the LOCAL MACHINE to access the information from the CARD. The local MACHINE would validate the authentication and pass access as "open" to the direct client with a simple user name, which would call up the network share for that user. Then, the user would have to re-authenticate with a password sign on which was simply network based as usual. At first there was a second step to authenticate back to the DMZ of the card but it wasn't really necessary.

or something like that. Losing the CARD was a pain to deal with as everything would have to be rebuilt.

gfunkdave May 16, 2011 12:49 pm


Originally Posted by nmenaker (Post 16395400)
Sure, I didn't mean to infer that lastpass was totally comprimised, just that THINGS are getting hacked, companies with credit cards, companies with emails and their associated passwords, etc. It would appear for the time being at least that if one wants to have essentially absolute security for documents, information, privacy, etc., it is best NOT to put it IN THE CLOUD as the cloud (which is just another word for INTERNET IMHO) has been shown to be vulnerable in many different ways. Direct access to servers, collocation breaches and hacking, third party CDN and application provider networks, etc.

Sure, everything is hackable. And local files are arguably no less so. Plus, with local files, what do you do when your hard drive crashes, or if you're using a different computer that doesn't have the file on it? My point is that an online service like LastPass, which from everything I can tell uses well-implemented procedures and standards, is as secure as your master password.

If you want absolute privacy, keep everything in your head and don't write anything down...but what will you do when they send you to Guantanamo? :)


to the point above about keepass and other locally stored master files, I have seen where people will LOCALLY ENCRYPT that file, which requires a constant direct LOCAL authentication when it requires access, but if the laptop or local file is compromised then it cannot be used by a third party. This can be done with services as well like the dropbox master file, the dropbox master storage location, etc., which means that even if it is compromised or they choose to turn it over to an authority organization via subpoena that it cannot be recovered or read.
Sure, fair enough. But nobody can use my LastPass info, since LastPass doesn't have my password. All the encryption/decryption happens on my computer. So it's the convenience of anywhere-access, and the security benefits you ascribe to local-only files. Seems like a win-win to me! :)

Tell you (or anyone) what: anyone who wants to try getting into my LastPass account is welcome to try. PM me for my email address logon. I'll tell you that it's a 9 character password with upper- and lowercase letters and at least one number.

Ilium Software May 18, 2011 1:42 pm


Originally Posted by markwtaylor (Post 16373555)
I use eWallet - can be installed and used on several devices. I have it on all three of my computers, as well as work and on my Android. Been using it for several years and love it.

Thanks for your support, Mark. We really appreciate it!

We also have eWallet GO! ( http://www.ewalletgo.com) It's a great solution for folks looking for a simpler, low-priced solution for storing passwords.

Marc
Ilium Software
www.iliumsoft.com

PS: I'm a really person - not a bot! Not trying to spam anyone here. Just saw Mark's post and wanted to suggest eWallet GO! as well. A lot of folks who don't need all the features in eWallet really like eWallet GO!

BonzoESC May 22, 2011 11:00 am


Originally Posted by gfunkdave (Post 16394399)
Furthermore, I disagree that programs like Keepass are any better. If anyone gets access to your computer and downloads the Keepass file (or if you contract some malware that sends it to someone), then you're vulnerable to the same attack. In fact, you're doubly vulnerable, because you can't simply change your master password. That would only re-encrypt the password file on your computer, not the one that the hackers took.

That's not doubly vulnerable; lastpass sends your computer the same stuff 1password or keepass would store locally, and there's nothing stopping an attacker who gets access to that information from storing it for an offline attack (which would still take thousands of years).

Really, any password manager that allows you to use long and difficult passwords without the fallibility of human memory and randomization is fine. If somebody really wants to get you, they'll always be able to use rubber-hose cryptanalysis, and anybody who wants to just do wanton damage will find other peoples' crappy passwords first.

UALOneKPlus May 22, 2011 11:13 am


Originally Posted by BonzoESC (Post 16429622)
That's not doubly vulnerable; lastpass sends your computer the same stuff 1password or keepass would store locally, and there's nothing stopping an attacker who gets access to that information from storing it for an offline attack (which would still take thousands of years).

Really, any password manager that allows you to use long and difficult passwords without the fallibility of human memory and randomization is fine. If somebody really wants to get you, they'll always be able to use rubber-hose cryptanalysis, and anybody who wants to just do wanton damage will find other peoples' crappy passwords first.

Not only that, if LastPass was free and open source maybe I'd consider it. The fact I have to PAY money to have a private closed source program to store my most sensitive data - no thanks.

Open Source + Free is always best for personal security solutions, unless I'm the developer that developed the program myself and charge people to use it, with my closed source program code.

BonzoESC May 22, 2011 1:24 pm


Originally Posted by UALOneKPlus (Post 16429678)
Not only that, if LastPass was free and open source maybe I'd consider it. The fact I have to PAY money to have a private closed source program to store my most sensitive data - no thanks.

Open Source + Free is always best for personal security solutions, unless I'm the developer that developed the program myself and charge people to use it, with my closed source program code.

KeePass is open-source: http://keepass.info/

Have fun with your auditing!

BadTime May 22, 2011 1:50 pm

Oh about passwords, the IronKey will also generate them for you. Also you can back it up on your computer and also online.

IronKey

moznmar May 22, 2011 1:53 pm

I've been using eWallet for quite some time. It's secure and syncs wirelessly with my iPhone.

gfunkdave May 22, 2011 7:47 pm


Originally Posted by BadTime (Post 16430301)
Oh about passwords, the IronKey will also generate them for you. Also you can back it up on your computer and also online.

IronKey

LastPass generates passwords too.


Originally Posted by UALOneKPlus (Post 16429678)
Not only that, if LastPass was free and open source maybe I'd consider it. The fact I have to PAY money to have a private closed source program to store my most sensitive data - no thanks.

LastPass is free unless you want the mobile apps. Then it's something like $10/year.

RobertS975 Aug 18, 2012 1:45 pm

deleted.... saw the existing recent thread about passwords


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