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adambadam Oct 21, 2010 11:53 am

Is 7" enough?
 
Steve Jobs ripped on other manufactures the other day for mainly only producing 7" tablets in the near future, compared to the iPads almost 10" screen. In Steve's mind 7" just ain't going to cut it. How does the FT community feel?

Personally, I kind of agree with Jobs. A 7" screen has basically half the surface area of the iPad's screen. That is a noticeable difference. However, I think where I would really notice the difference would not be in the apps, per se, as those can be designed accordingly, though on the keyboard. The wide screen keyboard on the iPad is the perfect size I feel, any smaller would be strange and inefficient I feel. Then again I am not typing up a thesis on my tablet anytime soon so perhaps that is not such a big deal in the long run. On the flip slide, I have to imagine one of the reasons the iPad does weigh so much is the amount of glass you need to protect the larger screen. Perhaps the weight factor would be a more fair trade-off to the smaller screen size.

Riverwalk Oct 21, 2010 1:04 pm

I used to have a netbook with a 7" screen and it felt too small. My current netbook has a 10.1" screen and it feels comfortable. That's why, IMO Steve has a good point. Ultimately, the market will decide.

Upstate Oct 21, 2010 2:06 pm


Originally Posted by Riverwalk (Post 14987878)
I used to have a netbook with a 7" screen and it felt too small. My current netbook has a 10.1" screen and it feels comfortable. That's why, IMO Steve has a good point. Ultimately, the market will decide.

And the reason why it sucks is because the netbook OS is designed for a full screen and not 7". If they use a mobile OS 7" is plenty.

ScottC Oct 21, 2010 2:43 pm

Size doesn't matter - resolution is what matters. The Samsung Tab is 1024x600, and the iPad is 1024x768 - so it really won't look that different.

Remember, this is the same Steve Jobs that said netbooks were useless, and just announced his own 11" machine, so don't fall for what he says.

7" is the PERFECT size for a tablet - and I think products like the Samsung Tab will be a huge hit.

LIH Prem Oct 21, 2010 6:50 pm


Originally Posted by ScottC (Post 14988555)
7" is the PERFECT size for a tablet -

says you. :rolleyes: :D

There he goes again. (voice of Ronald Reagan).

Size, font size, etc is a personal thing, IMO. 7", 11", ... isn't going to work for everybody. For you, you say it's the perfect size, that's fine for you. Let us know how you feel about it after getting it and using it for a while. I doubt 7" will work for me. 11" with decent rez doesn't work for me either. I know that what works or doesn't work for me is just for me, and not for you or anybody else.

-David

Efrem Oct 21, 2010 7:49 pm

I know some people who think 7" is enough, but they're not talking about tablets. Even there, though, they say a bit more is nice if the application can utilize it effectively. :D

I disagree that resolution, not size, matters. As adambadam wrote, it's the keyboard. I don't care if the resolution of a 7" screen is 2000x1600 or whatever. My hands are still the same size they've always been. The central typing area of my current laptop keyboard (left edge of the "Q" key to right edge of the semicolon key) is 7 1/2" wide. I wouldn't want it much, if any, smaller. That pretty much mandates an iPad-like screen for any real typing. A 7" tablet might work if you're not going to type much, but to me that means you have to carry a computer (or a separate keyboard) too. At that point, its whole justification disappears.

ScottC Oct 21, 2010 9:02 pm


Originally Posted by LIH Prem (Post 14989785)
says you. :rolleyes: :D

There he goes again. (voice of Ronald Reagan).

-David

Seriously, get out of defense mode for everything you post. I did not say 7" is perfect for everyone. And unless you think my posts speak for anyone other than myself, you can safely assume that anything I post is my own personal opinion.

I've been using a 7" tablet for some time now, and I find it much better than the size of an iPad. That doesn't mean the device is better, because in many ways, iOS is way ahead of what this (not to be named) device runs. But size-wise, I think it is excellent. Resolution is ideal, and some of these upcoming devices will feature smart things like a memory card slot and a kickstand - all things that moved me away from the iPad. I love the apps on the iPad, but the size and lack of ergonomics just killed it for me, which was a real shame.

ScottC Oct 21, 2010 9:04 pm


Originally Posted by Efrem (Post 14990018)
I know some people who think 7" is enough, but they're not talking about tablets. Even there, though, they say a bit more is nice if the application can utilize it effectively. :D

I disagree that resolution, not size, matters. As adambadam wrote, it's the keyboard. I don't care if the resolution of a 7" screen is 2000x1600 or whatever. My hands are still the same size they've always been. The central typing area of my current laptop keyboard (left edge of the "Q" key to right edge of the semicolon key) is 7 1/2" wide. I wouldn't want it much, if any, smaller. That pretty much mandates an iPad-like screen for any real typing. A 7" tablet might work if you're not going to type much, but to me that means you have to carry a computer (or a separate keyboard) too. At that point, its whole justification disappears.

A good tablet OS will allow for open keyboard access - on Android for example, you can install Swype, which reduces the need to tap on a piece of glass for your typing work. Running Swype, Swiftkey or one of the many, many other keyboards available for Android makes a huge difference - and in many cases outperforms the keyboard on the iPad.

Disclaimer: this is my own personal opinion. I am not speaking on behalf of anyone else. You do not need to report this differing opinion to Apple or anyone else who does not want to hear what I have to say.

LIH Prem Oct 21, 2010 9:14 pm


Originally Posted by ScottC (Post 14990347)
Seriously, get out of defense mode for everything you post.

The smiley faces and voice of Ronald Reagan didn't clue you in that I was half-kidding?


I did not say 7" is perfect for everyone. And unless you think my posts speak for anyone other than myself, you can safely assume that anything I post is my own personal opinion.
That's not what you said, you stated unequivocally that it was perfect, but I kind of guessed that's what you meant and you've been posting things like that since I've been here, like how Vista was such a great OS. :)

Take a breath, Scott. Relax. When you post things like that, people are going to react and some will reply.

Since you use so much tech and try everything, I'm certainly interested in your opinions, but it's hard to separate the difference between personal choices vs technical differences/issues sometimes.

I think we still get to comment on opinions here, don't we? Even if they differ from yours or mine. Right? It's not personal. We still love you.

-David

wco81 Oct 21, 2010 9:29 pm

The 7-inch tablets may appeal more to people who prefer the Kindle form factor, which is lighter and easier to hold up. The smaller screen is probably not as limiting for eBooks but for everything else ...

And to charge more for a smaller, inferior screen?

nkedel Oct 22, 2010 2:48 am

I see 7" as a very appealing size for a media-consumption device, whereas I find the 10" iPad an unappealingly clunky size for a device without a keyboard. That said, the 7" ones would have to be substantially cheaper than an iPad to be attractive as essentially a big media player/ebook reader.

BobbySteel Oct 22, 2010 4:07 am

Though I'm far from an Apple fanboy, I get why 10" is the right size for on-screen typing.

That said, for most media consumption, 7" is fine for me.

However I do find myself just reaching for my Android handset most of the time for browsing and basic media, which I think was Steve's point. 7 is close enough to 3 for basic consumption. 10 changes how you use it (less flexibility but more input and interaction).

nkedel Oct 22, 2010 4:14 pm


Originally Posted by BobbySteel (Post 14991518)
However I do find myself just reaching for my Android handset most of the time for browsing and basic media, which I think was Steve's point. 7 is close enough to 3 for basic consumption. 10 changes how you use it (less flexibility but more input and interaction).

7 is a lot better than 3. Heck, 2.8"-3" is small enough that the 3.5"-4.3" of the current bigger handsets is a BIG improvement. 7" is probably too big for even a jacket pocket, though, which makes me suspect that if you wanted to create a mega-handset size (which might be ideal) something like 5" or the 5.6" used in some of the mini-convertable tablets from Fuji (U810/820) might be perfect.

adambadam Oct 23, 2010 5:25 pm


Originally Posted by nkedel (Post 14995448)
7 is a lot better than 3. Heck, 2.8"-3" is small enough that the 3.5"-4.3" of the current bigger handsets is a BIG improvement. 7" is probably too big for even a jacket pocket, though, which makes me suspect that if you wanted to create a mega-handset size (which might be ideal) something like 5" or the 5.6" used in some of the mini-convertable tablets from Fuji (U810/820) might be perfect.

Dell has some 5" handsets on the market. http://www.dell.com/us/p/mobile-streak/pd

nkedel Oct 23, 2010 10:34 pm


Originally Posted by adambadam (Post 15000863)
Dell has some 5" handsets on the market. http://www.dell.com/us/p/mobile-streak/pd

I've seen online mentions, but have not seen it in person.

Being locked to AT&T and the old version of Android would both be non-starters, although both of those may be fixable.


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