Organized resistance to WBI/invasive patdowns
Oct 28, 2010, 8:17 pm
#736
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Oct 28, 2010, 8:55 pm
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On pre-filled TSA comment cards
Can I hear from those who carry pre-filled TSA comment cards when they fly? I wonder if a viable deterrent to a retaliatory opt-out pat-down is to present the pre-filled card, request the TSO's information prior to the pat-down, and inform the TSO that (a) you're a regular and know the difference between a fair and retaliatory screening, and (b) you plan to tear up and discard the comment card unless the pat-down is retaliatory. Then, keep the card in sight of the TSO as a reminder.
Either this turns the tables on who's intimidating whom...or it causes even more retaliation if the TSO doesn't fear any consequences from the card.
How and when do you present your comment cards? Better ideas, anyone?
Either this turns the tables on who's intimidating whom...or it causes even more retaliation if the TSO doesn't fear any consequences from the card.
How and when do you present your comment cards? Better ideas, anyone?
Oct 29, 2010, 3:31 am
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Sorry if this is a repost, but new article over at CNN:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/TRAVEL/10/28...ex.html?hpt=T1
"TSA to phase in new pat-down procedures at airports nationwide"
This is part of the problem with the TSA, not something to be proud of. It's effectively saying, "You never know what we might do to you", which hardly inspires confidence.
Also, they gave a first hand account of the new pat downs, which is a plus:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/TRAVEL/10/28...ex.html?hpt=T1
"TSA to phase in new pat-down procedures at airports nationwide"
The TSA said passengers should continue to expect "an unpredictable mix of security layers that include explosives trace detection, advanced imaging technology, canine teams, among others."
Also, they gave a first hand account of the new pat downs, which is a plus:
Rosemary Fitzpatrick, a CNN employee, said she was subjected to a pat-down at the Orlando, Florida, airport on Wednesday night after her underwire bra set off a magnetometer. She said she was taken to a private area and searched, with transportation screening officers telling her the pat-down was a new procedure.
According to Fitzpatrick, a female screener ran her hands around her breasts, over her stomach, buttocks and her inner thighs, and briefly touched her crotch.
"I felt helpless, I felt violated, and I felt humiliated," Fitzpatrick said, adding that she was reduced to tears at the checkpoint. She particularly objected to the fact that travelers were not warned about the new procedures.
According to Fitzpatrick, a female screener ran her hands around her breasts, over her stomach, buttocks and her inner thighs, and briefly touched her crotch.
"I felt helpless, I felt violated, and I felt humiliated," Fitzpatrick said, adding that she was reduced to tears at the checkpoint. She particularly objected to the fact that travelers were not warned about the new procedures.
Oct 29, 2010, 6:32 am
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Sorry if this is a repost, but new article over at CNN:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/TRAVEL/10/28...ex.html?hpt=T1
"TSA to phase in new pat-down procedures at airports nationwide"
This is part of the problem with the TSA, not something to be proud of. It's effectively saying, "You never know what we might do to you", which hardly inspires confidence.
Also, they gave a first hand account of the new pat downs, which is a plus:
Quote:
Rosemary Fitzpatrick, a CNN employee, said she was subjected to a pat-down at the Orlando, Florida, airport on Wednesday night after her underwire bra set off a magnetometer. She said she was taken to a private area and searched, with transportation screening officers telling her the pat-down was a new procedure.
According to Fitzpatrick, a female screener ran her hands around her breasts, over her stomach, buttocks and her inner thighs, and briefly touched her crotch.
"I felt helpless, I felt violated, and I felt humiliated," Fitzpatrick said, adding that she was reduced to tears at the checkpoint. She particularly objected to the fact that travelers were not warned about the new procedures.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/TRAVEL/10/28...ex.html?hpt=T1
"TSA to phase in new pat-down procedures at airports nationwide"
This is part of the problem with the TSA, not something to be proud of. It's effectively saying, "You never know what we might do to you", which hardly inspires confidence.
Also, they gave a first hand account of the new pat downs, which is a plus:
Quote:
Rosemary Fitzpatrick, a CNN employee, said she was subjected to a pat-down at the Orlando, Florida, airport on Wednesday night after her underwire bra set off a magnetometer. She said she was taken to a private area and searched, with transportation screening officers telling her the pat-down was a new procedure.
According to Fitzpatrick, a female screener ran her hands around her breasts, over her stomach, buttocks and her inner thighs, and briefly touched her crotch.
"I felt helpless, I felt violated, and I felt humiliated," Fitzpatrick said, adding that she was reduced to tears at the checkpoint. She particularly objected to the fact that travelers were not warned about the new procedures.
Last edited by pbjag; Oct 29, 2010 at 9:33 am
Oct 29, 2010, 6:55 am
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I need some clarification on the legality and ramifications of something I have been thinking of doing.
It is becoming obvious that without photographic or video evidence, we may never be able to get a conclusive or definitive answer to our questions. My suggestion is that as we exit the process, probably at the return-your-shoes-to their-proper-location-while-making-sure-all-of-your-money-is still-in-your-billfold seating area we could quickly take a few photos of the screening area, or a brief video. I would examine it later for evidences of squeeze or grab, and then post it here.
If enough of us do this, we will eventually document that we are being deceived or we will find that the nefarious behavior is so rare, that we can not find it, even though it happens from time to time.
This will need to be a widespread effort to be effective.
It is becoming obvious that without photographic or video evidence, we may never be able to get a conclusive or definitive answer to our questions. My suggestion is that as we exit the process, probably at the return-your-shoes-to their-proper-location-while-making-sure-all-of-your-money-is still-in-your-billfold seating area we could quickly take a few photos of the screening area, or a brief video. I would examine it later for evidences of squeeze or grab, and then post it here.
If enough of us do this, we will eventually document that we are being deceived or we will find that the nefarious behavior is so rare, that we can not find it, even though it happens from time to time.
- Is this illegal?
- I know it may cause angst among the TSA folks but once I am cleared what can they do?
- I have heard in some areas, maybe it was Maryland, where it is illegal to photograph an LEO. Does this apply to TSA?
This will need to be a widespread effort to be effective.
Nov 5, 2010, 8:56 am
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New link from PrisonPlanet
Just found this thread yesterday and read through it. Thanks to everyone for the brochures and all the information. See the link beow for living color pictures and info about the very clear images (you may have to cut and paste).
http://www.prisonplanet.com/inverted...ing-color.html
http://www.prisonplanet.com/inverted...ing-color.html
Nov 5, 2010, 9:31 am
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Just found this thread yesterday and read through it. Thanks to everyone for the brochures and all the information. See the link beow for living color pictures and info about the very clear images (you may have to cut and paste).
http://www.prisonplanet.com/inverted...ing-color.html
http://www.prisonplanet.com/inverted...ing-color.html
2. The image you link to is total BS and has been debunked a year or more ago and is COMPLETELY BOGUS.
Linking to such junk undermines the seriousness of our cause.Please check out http://DontScan.me for actual, verifiable images and factual information.
Nov 6, 2010, 11:36 am
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With the recent reporting from the media, and more and more people are hearing about the nude-scopes and enhanced pat-downs we should continue to try to get the media's attention.
Rush Limbaugh has open lines on Fridays. Agree or disagree with his views we should all listen every Friday and attempt to call in and discuss security theater and the nude-o-scopes. Hopefully that would educate more and more people.
Rush Limbaugh has open lines on Fridays. Agree or disagree with his views we should all listen every Friday and attempt to call in and discuss security theater and the nude-o-scopes. Hopefully that would educate more and more people.
Nov 6, 2010, 4:09 pm
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Plain terrorism by the government
A government who killed more than three thousand innocent Americans in a cold blood in 9/11, would never care about our safety. Their only goal is to terrorize, harass, intimidate, imprison, and humiliate us. If we keep silent about their illegal and immoral acts, we should expect the worse.
Say no to intrusive Pat-Downs by TSA Molesters!!!
Say no to intrusive Pat-Downs by TSA Molesters!!!
Nov 6, 2010, 7:22 pm
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Nov 6, 2010, 9:24 pm
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A government who killed more than three thousand innocent Americans in a cold blood in 9/11, would never care about our safety. Their only goal is to terrorize, harass, intimidate, imprison, and humiliate us. If we keep silent about their illegal and immoral acts, we should expect the worse.
Say no to intrusive Pat-Downs by TSA Molesters!!!
Say no to intrusive Pat-Downs by TSA Molesters!!!
Nov 7, 2010, 1:19 am
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Huckabee on Body Scanners
Mike Huckabee was on freedom Watch today and stated that body scanners were an invasion of privacy. He also said quote "I don't think these electronic strip-searches are constitutional". "I think it violates the idea, that there is some degree of expectation of privacy and protection, for innocent people to walk through an airport and get on an airplane".
A very good sign if he is for real.
A very good sign if he is for real.
Nov 7, 2010, 1:10 am
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Mike Huckabee was on freedom Watch today and stated that body scanners were an invasion of privacy. He also said quote "I don't think these electronic strip-searches are constitutional". "I think it violates the idea, that there is some degree of expectation of privacy and protection, for innocent people to walk through an airport and get on an airplane".
A very good sign if he is for real.
A very good sign if he is for real.
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Nov 7, 2010, 10:51 am
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Mike Huckabee was on freedom Watch today and stated that body scanners were an invasion of privacy. He also said quote "I don't think these electronic strip-searches are constitutional". "I think it violates the idea, that there is some degree of expectation of privacy and protection, for innocent people to walk through an airport and get on an airplane".
A very good sign if he is for real.
A very good sign if he is for real.
