FEDEX crash at Narita March 22
Mar 23, 2009, 12:45 am
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The video of the landing was horrific. With nothing but the deepest sympathy for the two pilots who were lost in the crash, it is extremely fortunate that the airframe involved in this landing was a freighter, not a passenger hull.
This crash is eerily reminiscent of the one at EWR in 1997, not only because both crashes featured FedEx MD-11s in landings gone awry, but also because of the manner of the crash. Here is the NTSB accident report from that crash.
This crash is eerily reminiscent of the one at EWR in 1997, not only because both crashes featured FedEx MD-11s in landings gone awry, but also because of the manner of the crash. Here is the NTSB accident report from that crash.
Mar 23, 2009, 1:16 am
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The video of the landing was horrific. With nothing but the deepest sympathy for the two pilots who were lost in the crash, it is extremely fortunate that the airframe involved in this landing was a freighter, not a passenger hull.
This crash is eerily reminiscent of the one at EWR in 1997, not only because both crashes featured FedEx MD-11s in landings gone awry, but also because of the manner of the crash. Here is the NTSB accident report from that crash.
This crash is eerily reminiscent of the one at EWR in 1997, not only because both crashes featured FedEx MD-11s in landings gone awry, but also because of the manner of the crash. Here is the NTSB accident report from that crash.
Mar 23, 2009, 1:26 am
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Mar 23, 2009, 1:49 am
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"Wind shear" may be one of the cause.
Japanese Ministry of Land, Infrastructure and Transport mentioned it on a press conference.
Japanese Ministry of Land, Infrastructure and Transport mentioned it on a press conference.
Mar 23, 2009, 6:43 am
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NRT is not shutdown, only one runway (16R/34L) is shut down. Operations on the shorter runway (16L/34R) continue. 3 of my relatives were on 3 aircraft which were arriving NRT today from the U.S. 2 of them arrived as scheduled, the 3rd ended up at HND. They were all on 777-200s.
Mar 23, 2009, 6:51 am
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Mar 23, 2009, 7:23 am
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Thoughts are with families
Mar 23, 2009, 7:24 am
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AFAIK, the investigation is purely done by the country where the accident occurred. In many - but not in all - cases, the later two are invited as "observers". You can compare the situation to a car crash. If the driver comes from, e.g. UK, drives a car which manufacturer comes from, e.g. Germany, and has a car accident in France, then the investigation is done by French Authorities and not by UK or German ones.
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Mar 23, 2009, 8:39 am
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Since it was a plane operated by a U.S. Company, NTSB hasa right to get involved. I suppose they might have to ask for permission. The country of the site of the accident should not deny request by an investigation team from the country of ownership. Manufacturer also has a legitimate interest. If the crash involved a non, U.S. aircraft, NTSB would not get involved unless, U.S. citizens were involved, U.S. cargo was involved, or NTSB was asked to help in the investigation. FBI team flew to Mumbai soon after 11/26. India welcomed their involvement.
Mar 23, 2009, 9:19 am
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I suppose they might have to ask for permission. The country of the site of the accident should not deny request by an investigation team from the country of ownership. Manufacturer also has a legitimate interest. If the crash involved a non, U.S. aircraft, NTSB would not get involved unless, U.S. citizens were involved, U.S. cargo was involved, or NTSB was asked to help in the investigation.
What should be done in order to honor all legal interests is one part of the story. What the authorities of a country decide is another one. It is purely to the decision of the country where the crash occurred since these investigations are nothing else than a legal/criminal investigation. Here, US right does not apply at all.BTW: I, personally, expect Japan to invite the NTSB.
The FBI was asked by Indian Authorities to join the investigation.
Mar 23, 2009, 9:22 am
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Reading more on this matter.
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/foreign.asp
Japan has highly trained investigators with lots of experience, it's just a matter of how much help they would really need from the NTSB. My view from this is the NTSB involvement will be pretty minor other then providing some additional backround data on the aircraft and similar aircraft accidents, with much of the actual investigation being done by Japanese investigators.
Looking at past cases involving US made aircraft in Japan, the NTSB refers readers to the Japanese Aircraft and Railway Accidents Investigation Commission site for anyone seeking more details.
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/foreign.asp
If an accident or serious incident occurs in a foreign state involving a civil aircraft of U.S. Registry, a U.S. operator, or an aircraft of U.S. design or U.S. manufacture, where the foreign state is a signator to the ICAO Convention, that state is responsible for the investigation. In accord with the ICAO Annex 13 SARPS, upon receipt of ICAO Notification of the accident or serious incident, the NTSB designates a U.S. Accredited Representative and appoints advisors to carry out the Obligations, receive the Entitlements, provided Consultation, and receive Safety Recommendations from the state of occurrence.
Looking at past cases involving US made aircraft in Japan, the NTSB refers readers to the Japanese Aircraft and Railway Accidents Investigation Commission site for anyone seeking more details.
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Mar 23, 2009, 9:45 am
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Looks like these Canadian high schoolers have to overnight at NRT.
http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/zoom/20090323-OYT9I01021.htm
Yomiuri reports all the hotels in Narita city got booked up by 4pm.
Asahi reports 200 NW pax from US diverted to NGO have to overnight at NGO.
This may be the biggest impact to flyertalkers.
(Some of them on picture. Article in Japanese)
http://www.asahi.com/national/update...903230013.html
It says a passenger complains that NW gives him only $10 for dinner
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Mar 23, 2009, 12:54 pm
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NTSB, Boeing, and FedEx will be invited to join the investigation group to collect factual data and to provide professional opinions. However, the final analysis and conclusion of investigation report will purly be written by Japan Transport Safety Board (previously called Aircraft and Railway Accidents Investigation Commission "ARAIC").