To Car Seat or Not To Car Seat, That is the Question...[Merged Threads]
Jan 30, 2018, 11:55 am
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Not sure what you mean? That parents should not protect their kids from known risks?
That’s just wishful thinking above.
[/QUOTENot sure what you mean? That parents should not protect their kids from known risks?
Jan 30, 2018, 1:37 pm
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Being driven while buckled up is more dangerous than flying buckled or unbuckled as a lap child on a common carrier flight during the last c 17 years at least.
Public buses and trains in US cities don’t generally have seatbelt buckles for children, and children in such vehicles do get injured, but where are the criminal charges for parents taking U2 children who get injured on buses/trains? More wishful thinking? Just like the idea of criminal charges for parents in the US having their male children circumcised at hospitals even as there is a risk of injury from discretionary medical procedures like that too.
Public buses and trains in US cities don’t generally have seatbelt buckles for children, and children in such vehicles do get injured, but where are the criminal charges for parents taking U2 children who get injured on buses/trains? More wishful thinking? Just like the idea of criminal charges for parents in the US having their male children circumcised at hospitals even as there is a risk of injury from discretionary medical procedures like that too.
Feb 1, 2018, 6:28 pm
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ALL agencies - federal and private - recommend against having a lap child. And surprise. - despite there being “no law”, if your child is harmed by your doing something for which you knew there was a risk >> you can (and should) go to jail. It is your job as a parent to protect your infant and I’m sorry for those kids whose Dad does not think so!
Complete and utter nonsense.
Some posts here are getting more and more bizarre.
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Feb 1, 2018, 11:43 pm
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Feb 2, 2018, 10:12 pm
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false binary choices — no less so when opportunity costs are a factor in optimized risk mitigation that protects children and when not alll government agencies recommend against U2 lap children on flights.
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Feb 5, 2018, 8:03 am
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Please cite something that can be used to independently verify this.
Feb 6, 2018, 11:30 am
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Convertible Car Seat is required
Convertible Car Seat is required is US as per laws and its necessary for your kids
but confusion arises when you dont know which one to buy
check this guide this may help.
Infants car seats
but confusion arises when you dont know which one to buy
check this guide this may help.
Infants car seats
Feb 11, 2018, 6:12 am
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None of the above. So no surprise to have the above questions labeled as being
false binary choices — no less so when opportunity costs are a factor in optimized risk mitigation that protects children and when not alll government agencies recommend against U2 lap children on flights.
And sorry that your kid is not worth the cost of protecting him/her
Feb 11, 2018, 8:20 am
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Money spent to pay for a U2 lap-child in a plane to have their own adult fare seat on a plane is money that is better spent protecting children far better by other means than attacking U2 lap-children use. If this is about how to spend money maximizing child protection, spending money to seat a U2 child on a plane instead of as lap-children seems contrary to the general public well-being and thus maybe U2 children in their own plane seat should result in an increased excise tax charge if really caring about the general well-being of U2 children on and off the planes?
Most government agencies don’t recommend against flying with U2 lap-child infants. Not so different from most government agencies not recommending against leaving the house in a car despite car travel being far more dangerous than traveling by air.
You are welcome to spend your time listing all the governments agencies that don’t recommend against lap-children infants in planes, not that I expect you to do that in any sort of accurate, comprehensive way.
Especially as that would cover far more government agencies than those government agencies that recommend against the bugbear of U2 lap-children in planes, I have no intent to compile a huge list of government agencies that don’t recommend against U2 lap-children in planes.
Feb 12, 2018, 2:05 pm
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While the FAA does not prohibit lap children, they strongly encourage all children to have their own seats when flying. Here is their statement about this on their agency's web site covering flying with children:
Did you know that the safest place for your child on an airplane is in a government-approved child safety restraint system (CRS) or device, not on your lap? Your arms aren't capable of holding your child securely, especially during unexpected turbulence.
The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) strongly urges you to secure your child in a CRS or device for the duration of your flight. It's the smart and right thing to do so that everyone in your family arrives safely at your destination.
Nora Marshall from the NTSB discusses the issue here:
Our household's perspective on this: We're going to be paying for seats after they're two anyway. They're safer, and everyone is more comfortable paying for seats from the start. So we always have. It may mean we are in coach instead of another class of service, but that's a minor inconvenience. Eventually our kids will grow up, and we'll be able to travel in premium cabins again.
Feb 14, 2018, 6:03 am
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Originally Posted by swise
Did you know that the safest place for your child on an airplane is in a government-approved child safety restraint system (CRS) or device, not on your lap? Your arms aren't capable of holding your child securely, especially during unexpected turbulence.
And most injuries of U2 children on my flights seem to have been a product of something other than just unexpected turbulence while a U2 child was in the holding arms of a seated adult.
The use of an in-flight CRS/CRD for U2 children does marginally reduce the very marginal risk of injury for U2 children due to unexpected turbulence, but the cost to buy seats for all U2s provides a very low return on investment and has a negative opportunity cost for those looking to maximize child safety during trips and otherwise.
Feb 14, 2018, 11:26 am
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The FAA's position is pretty straightforward, when you boil it down:
1. If you're going to fly, your kid(s) should be in carseats, not on laps.
2. If the cost of buying seats for your kids means you'd drive instead, then put the kids on your laps, and fly.
1. If you're going to fly, your kid(s) should be in carseats, not on laps.
2. If the cost of buying seats for your kids means you'd drive instead, then put the kids on your laps, and fly.
Feb 15, 2018, 3:45 am
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1. If you're going to fly with kids under 2 years of age (“U2”), the U2 kid(s) should preferably be in carseats, not on laps.
2. If the cost of buying seats for your U2 kids to fly comes with engaging in riskier behavior (such as driving) or foregoing payment for more sensible risk mitigation measures (than paying for a seat for a U2 kid), then put the kid on your lap and fly.
In a world of limited resources and far greater risk for children than traveling as a lap-child on a plane, the money used to buy the U2 child a seat is generally better spent in other ways to maximize the well-being of children.
2. If the cost of buying seats for your U2 kids to fly comes with engaging in riskier behavior (such as driving) or foregoing payment for more sensible risk mitigation measures (than paying for a seat for a U2 kid), then put the kid on your lap and fly.
In a world of limited resources and far greater risk for children than traveling as a lap-child on a plane, the money used to buy the U2 child a seat is generally better spent in other ways to maximize the well-being of children.
Feb 15, 2018, 8:25 am
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As to "injuries you have seen" I guess you don't fly enough for the unexpected large drop in turbulence where everything goes flying. Or the coffee spilt on the lap child and burns them.
Again you ignore
CDC infants safety seats reduced infant injury in cars > 71%. The majority of those injured had improperly placed safety seats (eg: not rear facing, not middle of back seat, improper attachment to car). Across the country we find a greater than 95% misuse of car seats,” says Alisa Baer, M.D., a pediatrician and nationally certified child passenger safety instructor (who’s also known as The Car Seat Lady)
Feb 15, 2018, 12:16 pm
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CDC infants safety seats reduced infant injury in cars > 71%. The majority of those injured had improperly placed safety seats (eg: not rear facing, not middle of back seat, improper attachment to car). Across the country we find a greater than 95% misuse of car seats,” says Alisa Baer, M.D., a pediatrician and nationally certified child passenger safety instructor (who’s also known as The Car Seat Lady)