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theddo Jan 2, 2017 3:48 am


Originally Posted by Blueskyheaven (Post 27691100)
Teach about what when a mother knows her child is a mess inside and there is hardly any a good space for her to change the diaper? Mothers, almost all of them don't need someone's advice on how to take care of their children. Remember we all have or had a mother and we all were baby and a child first? Except for Buddha, children never walked 7 steps right after then were born.
I have flown internationally and at times was seated next to a mother with baby or child, I practiced tolerance, understanding and compassion and always worked.

Happy New Year to you too!

I've done something different I have used my brain and encouraged other's to do so, too. Works wonders.

Why are you so determined that compassion or tolerance is a one-way street, and something only supposed to be shown towards mothers? Apart from the sexist overtones, most parents would be wise to acknowledge that I don't care about their spoiled brats and if their kids all died in a fire I wouldn't bat an eye. Their offspring has exactly zero value to me, so maybe they should stop expecting me to treat their snowflakes as the most wonderful thing in the world.

GUWonder Jan 2, 2017 9:25 am


Originally Posted by theddo (Post 27691425)
I've done something different I have used my brain and encouraged other's to do so, too. Works wonders.

Why are you so determined that compassion or tolerance is a one-way street, and something only supposed to be shown towards mothers? Apart from the sexist overtones, most parents would be wise to acknowledge that I don't care about their spoiled brats and if their kids all died in a fire I wouldn't bat an eye. Their offspring has exactly zero value to me, so maybe they should stop expecting me to treat their snowflakes as the most wonderful thing in the world.

Classic. :rolleyes:

wrp96 Jan 2, 2017 9:31 am

I have lots of compassion for parents traveling with children.

But if breastfeeding mothers shouldn't be forced to feed their children in the lavatory because to quote one of the arguments I've seen "you wouldn't force an adult to eat in a bathroom" (and note I agree with the mothers), then why should adults be forced to eat in a place that parents have just effectively made a bathroom by changing their child's diaper? Courtesy should go both ways.

ords Jan 2, 2017 12:37 pm


Originally Posted by Blueskyheaven (Post 27681691)
They are children and it is not easy as you would think and want for the mother.

Have compassion, tolerance & understanding. That was a good time for you to practice patience , understanding and tolerance.

I have sat next to mother with baby on international flights and always reminded myself to have understanding and compassion! We all were baby and cared for by a mother.

How about Seniors that wear diapers that might not be able to make it the lavatory? Would it be acceptable for them to just change in the cabin, perhaps by a caregiver too?

It's not the age here, it's the environment the act is taking place.

jonsail Jan 3, 2017 12:31 am

There might be safety issues involved. Suppose the plane hits some turbulence. If Mom is standing in the lav and baby is precariously balanced somewhere around the sink basin, it could be dangerous. At least mom could be belted in if she is working in the seat. Airlines try to make the premium cabin pleasant, but even in the premium cabins we are jammed in much tighter with a bunch of strangers than we would like to be. It's the price we pay for very rapid transit.

Yachtman Jan 3, 2017 1:00 am

I just asked my wife who travelled extensively alone with my children when they were babies and when one was toddler and the other a baby etc etc. It was certainly challenging for her, but she never once had to change a nappy in the seat... Must have taken 50 flights long haul and short haul chasing me around the world on a variety of aircraft, so it does make me wonder what is required to be considerate?
Mind she also mentioned that she preferred flying Western Airlines over the Middle Eastern ones as the crew tended to be more proactive helping her, unlike being dumped at a set of steps by a limo for a First class flight with Qatar and the crew watching her struggle to get a baby, toddler, folded pushchair, nappy bag, hand bag, teddy bears, baby blankets etc up the stairs in several runs (they did their job perfectly, but never exceeded the requirement to be kind).

theddo Jan 3, 2017 6:19 am


Originally Posted by Yachtman (Post 27695960)
I just asked my wife who travelled extensively alone with my children when they were babies and when one was toddler and the other a baby etc etc. It was certainly challenging for her, but she never once had to change a nappy in the seat... Must have taken 50 flights long haul and short haul chasing me around the world on a variety of aircraft, so it does make me wonder what is required to be considerate?
Mind she also mentioned that she preferred flying Western Airlines over the Middle Eastern ones as the crew tended to be more proactive helping her, unlike being dumped at a set of steps by a limo for a First class flight with Qatar and the crew watching her struggle to get a baby, toddler, folded pushchair, nappy bag, hand bag, teddy bears, baby blankets etc up the stairs in several runs (they did their job perfectly, but never exceeded the requirement to be kind).

The reason is that none of those things is the FAs job. Why that is important is because if they are injured they will not get compensation and will not be able to continue with their jobs. That's the world we live in, and why FAs don't want to help with heavy bags either.


Originally Posted by jonsail (Post 27695893)
There might be safety issues involved. Suppose the plane hits some turbulence. If Mom is standing in the lav and baby is precariously balanced somewhere around the sink basin, it could be dangerous. At least mom could be belted in if she is working in the seat. Airlines try to make the premium cabin pleasant, but even in the premium cabins we are jammed in much tighter with a bunch of strangers than we would like to be. It's the price we pay for very rapid transit.

The same safety issue would presumably effect all passengers, so all passengers should refrain from using the restrooms to instead relieve themselves in the cabin, for safety?

The price we pay for human dignity is to change your diapers in a toilet.


Originally Posted by ords (Post 27693249)
How about Seniors that wear diapers that might not be able to make it the lavatory? Would it be acceptable for them to just change in the cabin, perhaps by a caregiver too?

It's not the age here, it's the environment the act is taking place.

That seem to be the general idea by a lot of posters, yes. Some are even suggesting the restrooms are to dangerous for use during flight.

rjque Jan 3, 2017 1:06 pm


Originally Posted by theddo (Post 27681869)
No? Are you for real?

It is not, under any circumstances okay to change a diaper on a seat in any cabin simply because you have kids. If the parents cannot fix their travel better than that, drive. It isn't a human right to use a plane.

This post is not at all helpful to the discussion, but I agree that, in general, babies should not be changed at the seat.

I've probably changed upwards of 40-50 brown diapers on airplanes over the past four years, and was able to handle it in the lav every time. Even on a CRJ-200, with no chaining table. And I'm 6'4" and 250 pounds, which makes the job even more awkward. If I can do it, anyone can.

GUWonder Jan 3, 2017 2:36 pm


Originally Posted by rjque (Post 27698888)
If I can do it, anyone can.

Not necessarily. Different caretakers of different children are dealing with different circumstances than some others face.

And what about the times when the FAs tell the passengers to not get out of their seat? Sometimes that has applied for the entire duration of the plane being in the air. There are times where, disgusting as it is, conditions are such that it may actually be less disgusting for a diaper change to be done in the seat than to not be done at all until the passengers are next allowed to use the lavatory. And I'm saying this as someone very much grossed out by diaper changes and such stuff in open public areas with limited/inadequate cleaning and disposal facilities and who would likely be skeptical about people doing disgusting things when ordinarily there may be less disgusting ways to deal with the situation.

ChangingNappies Jan 3, 2017 3:01 pm

On an E170, I once had a flight attendant who recommended me to change the diaper on a seat of the unoccupied last row.

rjque Jan 3, 2017 3:12 pm


Originally Posted by GUWonder (Post 27699336)
Not necessarily. Different caretakers of different children are dealing with different circumstances than some others face.

And what about the times when the FAs tell the passengers to not get out of their seat? Sometimes that has applied for the entire duration of the plane being in the air. There are times where, disgusting as it is, conditions are such that it may actually be less disgusting for a diaper change to be done in the seat than to not be done at all until the passengers are next allowed to use the lavatory. And I'm saying this as someone very much grossed out by diaper changes and such stuff in open public areas with limited/inadequate cleaning and disposal facilities and who would likely be skeptical about people doing disgusting things when ordinarily there may be less disgusting ways to deal with the situation.

That's fair. Though I think it should only be in the most unusual circumstances that one would need to change anywhere other than in a lav.

My daughter seemed to purposefully soil herself within seconds of the aircraft door being closed for pushback. Now that she is out of diapers, she uses the pushback period to announce "I need to go potty!" to the entire cabin.

txpenny Jan 3, 2017 5:11 pm


Originally Posted by GUWonder (Post 27699336)
Not necessarily. Different caretakers of different children are dealing with different circumstances than some others face.

And what about the times when the FAs tell the passengers to not get out of their seat? Sometimes that has applied for the entire duration of the plane being in the air. There are times where, disgusting as it is, conditions are such that it may actually be less disgusting for a diaper change to be done in the seat than to not be done at all until the passengers are next allowed to use the lavatory. And I'm saying this as someone very much grossed out by diaper changes and such stuff in open public areas with limited/inadequate cleaning and disposal facilities and who would likely be skeptical about people doing disgusting things when ordinarily there may be less disgusting ways to deal with the situation.

If it's truly not safe for pax to get out of their seats, is it any safer to place your infant on the tray table?

GUWonder Jan 4, 2017 1:31 am


Originally Posted by txpenny (Post 27700111)
If it's truly not safe for pax to get out of their seats, is it any safer to place your infant on the tray table?

Lap changes vs seat tray table changes? My bet is lap changes are more common.

The seat tray tables aren't even all that stable/strong, and on full planes don't really work all as easily as a change in a lap.

Sometimes the order to remain seated has less to do with safe flying conditions than it has to do with security concerns or even cabin crew convenience.

suranyi Jan 7, 2017 2:44 pm

Sometimes the baby will poop when the fasten seat belt light is on, or when the toilets are inaccessible for some reason. No matter what you decide to do, you're condemned. It's a tough situation.

theddo Jan 7, 2017 3:00 pm


Originally Posted by suranyi (Post 27722071)
Sometimes the baby will poop when the fasten seat belt light is on, or when the toilets are inaccessible for some reason. No matter what you decide to do, you're condemned. It's a tough situation.

So if your baby poops when you're driving on the freeway how do you deal with the urgent and immediate need to change it's diaper?


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