**2008**BKK closed by anti-government protesters & ongoing discussion
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I'm in BKK now, and the trouble appears to be over. The red shirts have disbanded except for one group of around 400 which apparently is quite well surrounded by government forces.
I just had dinner with some friends, one of whom is Thai. During dinner, a special report came on the TV. It was a press conference held at the hospital by a military spokesman and two doctors. As my Thai friend was translating, the gist of the story was that the deaths of two people from the rioting were greatly exaggerated, -- they are still alive, though seriously wounded. Not only were they shown in the TV in their hospital beds, but a detailed medical report was given, including shots of x-ray films, wounds, etc. (Apparently they don't have HIPAA here.)
Additionally, they presented a ballistics analysis of the bullets and wounds, probably with the intent of showing who fired the shots, or whether they were fired from a military weapon. Didn't get the details, because by this time we had gone back to enjoying dinner.
I'm staying at the end of Suk Soi 11. Sukhumvit is pretty much deserted, but it's difficult to know if that's because of the unrest or Songkran. I suppose we'll see tomorrow, now that the protests are essentially over. It will also be interesting to see if the malls reopen, -- I understand that they are usually open during Songkran, but have been closed for the past few days. Siam Paragon was the site of a fairly large protest action as the Royal Thai Police Headquarters is right nearby.
I must say, though, that even at the height of the protests over the past few days, there was not even an increased police presence in the Sukhumvit area. let alone any protesters. The only things out of the ordinary were store and restaurant closures and lack of traffic.
Bottom line? Don't cancel any plans to come to Thailand. The red shirt thugs are a very small minority, and the local ciitzens really hate what they are doing to the country. In some neighborhoods, senior police officials have held meetings with the local residents to persuade them not to try to deal with the protesters themselves. In one residential neighborhood, for example, the thugs drove a gas truck into the neighborhood intending to set it afire. The local residents reacted so strongly and quickly that the thugs abondoned the idea and ran.
On a slightly different topic, had a very pleasant dinner with yosithezet the other night at an outdoor café on Sukhumvit. Anyone else around?
I just had dinner with some friends, one of whom is Thai. During dinner, a special report came on the TV. It was a press conference held at the hospital by a military spokesman and two doctors. As my Thai friend was translating, the gist of the story was that the deaths of two people from the rioting were greatly exaggerated, -- they are still alive, though seriously wounded. Not only were they shown in the TV in their hospital beds, but a detailed medical report was given, including shots of x-ray films, wounds, etc. (Apparently they don't have HIPAA here.)
Additionally, they presented a ballistics analysis of the bullets and wounds, probably with the intent of showing who fired the shots, or whether they were fired from a military weapon. Didn't get the details, because by this time we had gone back to enjoying dinner.
I'm staying at the end of Suk Soi 11. Sukhumvit is pretty much deserted, but it's difficult to know if that's because of the unrest or Songkran. I suppose we'll see tomorrow, now that the protests are essentially over. It will also be interesting to see if the malls reopen, -- I understand that they are usually open during Songkran, but have been closed for the past few days. Siam Paragon was the site of a fairly large protest action as the Royal Thai Police Headquarters is right nearby.
I must say, though, that even at the height of the protests over the past few days, there was not even an increased police presence in the Sukhumvit area. let alone any protesters. The only things out of the ordinary were store and restaurant closures and lack of traffic.
Bottom line? Don't cancel any plans to come to Thailand. The red shirt thugs are a very small minority, and the local ciitzens really hate what they are doing to the country. In some neighborhoods, senior police officials have held meetings with the local residents to persuade them not to try to deal with the protesters themselves. In one residential neighborhood, for example, the thugs drove a gas truck into the neighborhood intending to set it afire. The local residents reacted so strongly and quickly that the thugs abondoned the idea and ran.
On a slightly different topic, had a very pleasant dinner with yosithezet the other night at an outdoor café on Sukhumvit. Anyone else around?
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Separately, I agree with the red shirts. Thaksin was voted in fair & square. The military kicked him out in 06. Thaksin #2 (whatever his name was) was then voted in fair & square. He was then "removed" and replaced with the opposition (yellow shirt) last November. That doesn't seem right to me. Even though, I sympathise with the yellows, that the reds are a bunch of rural country bumkins who don't know sh!t from clay and shouldn't be entrusted with the vote. But, hey, sorry yellows, that's democracy for you! As Mr Churchill once said, democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried (or something like that).
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That said, I'm glad things have settled down for the moment as I am heading over next week. Will be in Bangkok only.
Thanks to all who have kept me updated.
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A friend from home came over here on business a number of years ago and liked it so much that he stayed. Met a professional woman here and ended up marrying her. (No, not that profession. "Profession" as in doctor, lawyer, accountant, etc. I don't want to say more because people are entitled to their privacy. I don't think that he knows about FT.)
We went to a small and very informal neighborhood Issan place on a Suk Soi in the low 30s, just a couple of blocks from the Prime Minister's residence. IIRC we were the only westerners. Delicious food. Papaya salad, grilled whole fish, pork and vegetable soup which you cook at the table. While Issan food can be quite spicy, as you undoubtedly know, this was spicy enough that we could both feel and taste it, yet not so spicy that I was uncomfortable. This was my first (but clearly not last) foray into true Issan food.
Met up with yosithezet at the WGS where he was staying. Interesting fellow, that yosithezet. I'm completely jealous of the frequency with which he comes here, though he comes on business and I for holiday. Anyway, had a drink at the WGS executive club, then to one of my regular spots, an Italian place on the SGS side of Sukhumvit, a few blocks towards the lower sois from the SGS. I'm sure that yosithezet can describe the location much better than I. It has an extensive menu, and I've always found the food excellent. I often go in the afternoon, sit in the outdoor seating area adjacent to the sidewalk, have a late lunch and read and people watch. Very pleasant place, which I highly recommend. It's now closed for Songkran.
All in all, I'm having a lovely time here, as usual, despite the current (but temporary, I expect) curtailment of my sightseeing plans.
We went to a small and very informal neighborhood Issan place on a Suk Soi in the low 30s, just a couple of blocks from the Prime Minister's residence. IIRC we were the only westerners. Delicious food. Papaya salad, grilled whole fish, pork and vegetable soup which you cook at the table. While Issan food can be quite spicy, as you undoubtedly know, this was spicy enough that we could both feel and taste it, yet not so spicy that I was uncomfortable. This was my first (but clearly not last) foray into true Issan food.
Met up with yosithezet at the WGS where he was staying. Interesting fellow, that yosithezet. I'm completely jealous of the frequency with which he comes here, though he comes on business and I for holiday. Anyway, had a drink at the WGS executive club, then to one of my regular spots, an Italian place on the SGS side of Sukhumvit, a few blocks towards the lower sois from the SGS. I'm sure that yosithezet can describe the location much better than I. It has an extensive menu, and I've always found the food excellent. I often go in the afternoon, sit in the outdoor seating area adjacent to the sidewalk, have a late lunch and read and people watch. Very pleasant place, which I highly recommend. It's now closed for Songkran.
All in all, I'm having a lovely time here, as usual, despite the current (but temporary, I expect) curtailment of my sightseeing plans.
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Enjoy your trip!
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Anyway, had a drink at the WGS executive club, then to one of my regular spots, an Italian place on the SGS side of Sukhumvit, a few blocks towards the lower sois from the SGS. I'm sure that yosithezet can describe the location much better than I. It has an extensive menu, and I've always found the food excellent. I often go in the afternoon, sit in the outdoor seating area adjacent to the sidewalk, have a late lunch and read and people watch. Very pleasant place, which I highly recommend. It's now closed for Songkran.
The Italian place was nice. Italian food was the theme for my day. I don't know the name of this particular place but it is in the Korean-owned complex at the corner of Soi 12. This is the same building that houses King & I massage. The restaurant is on the ground floor at the front corner of the building which is closes to Soi 12. I'm not typically looking for western food in Bangkok, other than the occasional burger or pastrami sandwich, but I'd go back to this place in the future.
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Considering I was in BKK about 20 weekends last year I'd say the chances are 40/60. As for this weekend, my eyes alternate between looking at my credit card from the vacation and looking out at the intersections of New Delhi.
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FWIW - I was at Phuket for the past week plus, and am in Bangkok now.
Never felt threatened, nor did I run into any unpleasantness. The way that the ASEAN summit ended in a farce was pretty funny, but an acquaintance who was diving (and carousing) in Pattaya during that time said that in the vast majority of the town - business as usual.
Even during the airport blockade, no tourists were harmed or threatened. If you have vacation plans, I'd just purchase travel insurance as usual and go ahead with the visit.
Never felt threatened, nor did I run into any unpleasantness. The way that the ASEAN summit ended in a farce was pretty funny, but an acquaintance who was diving (and carousing) in Pattaya during that time said that in the vast majority of the town - business as usual.
Even during the airport blockade, no tourists were harmed or threatened. If you have vacation plans, I'd just purchase travel insurance as usual and go ahead with the visit.
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Pattaya will probably always be business as usual.....even in the middle of a riot or coup, as sex tourists (i.e. the vast majority of visitors to this great city) have completely different needs, wants and goals and the working girls (and guys).....are for the most part completely non political.
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Now morning here in BKK (BKK is currently eleven hours ahead of eastern time), streets still appear normal. However, apparently I spoke too soon.
Yesterday (Friday) morning, there was an assassination attempt on Sondhi Limthongkul, the leader of the PAD (yellow shirts). It was a classic, just-like-in-the-movies attempt. According this morning's Bangkok Post, a car of gunmen was following his bodyguards' car. The gunmen's car pulled out of line and alongside Sondhi's car and opened fire, spraying Sondhi's car from rear to front with automatic weapons fire, before pulling in front of Sondhi's car and driving off. Sondhi was declared stable following surgery to remove a bullet fragment from his skull. The security cameras which are everywhere were mysteriously "out of order" at the intersection where this took place.
P.M. Abhisit now says that state of emergency will continue. Security for the P.M. has been increased.
And, in a separate but related story, Thaksin has been appointed an "ambassador of Nicaragua on a special mission." The President of Nicaragua confirmed that he had made the appointment, saying that he wanted Thaksin to help attract investment to the country.
That's it from here, back to you in the studio, Chet.
Yesterday (Friday) morning, there was an assassination attempt on Sondhi Limthongkul, the leader of the PAD (yellow shirts). It was a classic, just-like-in-the-movies attempt. According this morning's Bangkok Post, a car of gunmen was following his bodyguards' car. The gunmen's car pulled out of line and alongside Sondhi's car and opened fire, spraying Sondhi's car from rear to front with automatic weapons fire, before pulling in front of Sondhi's car and driving off. Sondhi was declared stable following surgery to remove a bullet fragment from his skull. The security cameras which are everywhere were mysteriously "out of order" at the intersection where this took place.
P.M. Abhisit now says that state of emergency will continue. Security for the P.M. has been increased.
And, in a separate but related story, Thaksin has been appointed an "ambassador of Nicaragua on a special mission." The President of Nicaragua confirmed that he had made the appointment, saying that he wanted Thaksin to help attract investment to the country.
That's it from here, back to you in the studio, Chet.
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I wonder if his new "passport" gives him diplomatic immunity worldwide ?
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The "revolution" of course failed, but the seed is in the soil and will eventually grow to be a big tree one day. Things need time, but history has shown that regimes who need strict censorhip laws will not survive.
The Economist has again been banned in Thailand for the following article: http://www.economist.com/world/asia/...ry_id=13496103 and the Webmaster of the respectable Prachathai news site will probably end up being another political prisoner : http://www.prachatai.net/english/node/1145
As a tourist you are safe in Thailand (as you are in Burma), but you may well end up in jail just for visiting certain websites without Proxy or for making a small remark advocating freedom of speech. Your name will be on the following website: http://thaipoliticalprisoners.wordpress.com/
Tourists may flock back, but investors making some background research will stay away form such a minefield.
The Economist has again been banned in Thailand for the following article: http://www.economist.com/world/asia/...ry_id=13496103 and the Webmaster of the respectable Prachathai news site will probably end up being another political prisoner : http://www.prachatai.net/english/node/1145
As a tourist you are safe in Thailand (as you are in Burma), but you may well end up in jail just for visiting certain websites without Proxy or for making a small remark advocating freedom of speech. Your name will be on the following website: http://thaipoliticalprisoners.wordpress.com/
Tourists may flock back, but investors making some background research will stay away form such a minefield.