EuropeanPete

No, definitely not - but I suspect far too many are.

freed0m

use UK as an example. UK has 160+ K beds and similar population 60+ million.

The peak of active cases in UK was nearly 2 million. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

If bed is in shortage now in Thailand with less than 170K active cases, how would Thailand handle 2 million active cases?

I seriously doubt the 160,000 beds in Thailand. It does not make sense.

BinSabai

you should not doubt, you should COUNT!
List of hospitals in Thailand - Wikipedia

estnet

Sorry as an MD myself you don't just "shift" one specialty for another - ICU care is a VERY specialized area and you don't just learn it in a day or two. Plus the Thai idea of "treating" some early symptoms is just laughable
Who is supervising the "care" of the thousands in field hospitals, etc.? Sure you can train someone to take temps, measure O2, etc but there are finer evaluations that take more training.
Not to mention the idea of putting many infected together so that variant strains can combine into a new one in addition to normal mutation (is this what happened in India simply b/c so many were infected and lived in close proximity - possible I think)
Sadly I have no idea how competent their treatment of more advanced disease is - don't even know if they have access to some of the more effective tx.
Every day I just get sadder and sadder about the situation......

freed0m

then tell me what’s going on in Thailand now?

160,000 beds and 170,000 active cases and people can’t get a bed.

The health minister should start to kick people out of hospital bed long ago.

first world facility with third world management?

freed0m

this is just the beginning.

if Thailand goes to anywhere like Malaysia, you could see as many as 3x current number of cases.

Thailand vaccination is behind Malaysia.

IAN-UK

huh ?

estnet

People have been found to be infected with 2 different strains at the same time so it seems logical that with 2 strains in one host the chance for new mutations would increase. In any case grouping sick people together in large groups is never a good idea - eg I have variant A, person next to me has variant B - now I'm more likely to get doubly infected than if I was not in close proximity to them.
Of course this doesn't even include my susceptibility to other diseases they may be carrying.

transpac

Source: MoPH

transpac

13% of People in High-density Communities in Bangkok Are Infected with COVID-19

BANGKOK (NNT) - Thailand’s Rural Doctors’ Society (RDS) reports that over 13% of people in 40 high-density communities in Bangkok were found to be infected during proactive COVID-19 screening.

According to the RDS, its medical teams and staff from hospitals from various provinces carried out two COVID-19 testing rounds in Bangkok, the first between July 14th and 16th and the latest between July 21st and 23rd, targeting crowded urban communities.

https://thainews.prd.go.th/en/news/d...10726130340565

transpac

Mongkut Wattana hospital to reject COVID patients “dumped” on the doorstep

The director of Bangkok’s Mongkut Wattana Hospital has issued a stern warning to those who attempt to jump the admissions queue by dumping COVID-19 infected people at the hospital without advance coordination, in hope of being admitted, saying he means business and will not tolerate such a practice.

In the wake of the surge in patients needing admission for medical treatment and the acute shortage of hospital beds, Maj-Gen Rianthong Nanna explained in his Facebook post today about the need to enforce order in the management of hospital beds and to prioritise of patients, to prevent chaos over hospital beds among the sick and their relatives.


https://www.thaipbsworld.com/mongkut...-the-doorstep/

estnet

I just find this scary

"Although the treatment by the herbal medicine went well, the credibility was not high because it lacked scientific proof. The patients did not pass another Covid-19 test after the treatment. Dr Kwanchai explained that they followed a new protocol recommended by the Infectious Disease Association of Thailand that if patients did not show any symptoms after the quarantine period, they can be discharged without taking a second Covid-19 test."It is because there is no further indication relating to the sickness, it means the level of disease is too low to transmit to others," he said."

So don't test and hope for the best???
"Another reason is to save costs.

"Our research budget is quite limited so we only have a Google form for doctors to evaluate each patient's conditions during Covid-19 treatment with fah talai jone. But if we could have RT-PCR test results after the treatment, the research would have more credibility," he said.

For those who are anxious and worry if they get the infection during the present outbreak, Dr Kulthanit advised taking fah talai jone only when they have fever-like symptoms."
There are warnings further on about when to not take it, etc.

EmailKid

Wow, just WOW

Obviously agreeing with OP, this IS scary (I am currently safely in Canada planning my next visit to LoS to visit friends there).

Though I can sort of see the logic of not testing if there are no symptoms after two weeks ..... BUT .... A big but, as there is NO scientific evidence that infection has resolved, and there is a very good possibility that these people will spread Covid when set loose.

NB, I am NOT editing OP's post, just the quote of Dr Kwanchai .... not an MD myself, but having spent over two decades in Medical Field including NIH clinical trials, I like to think I have some insight into scientific method.

estnet

Here is the actual article
https://www.bangkokpost.com/life/soc...-against-covid

The idea that if you don't have symptoms you don't need a test b/c you are no longer contagious is soooo scary, but if I'm vac and have no sx and test positive I have to go into quarantine for 14 days??? Not even any internal consistency
No idea what a scientific study is apparently and now they are basing their "treatment" on this!
Not to mention that people who have contraindications who might not read all the details:"Fah talai jone is a cooling herb. It should not be consumed for more than five to seven days otherwise it may cause numbness in the hands and feet, lowering blood pressure and also impact the kidneys, he added.

Not everyone can take fah talai jone. Those who should avoid the medicine are pregnant women, breastfeeding mothers, those who have kidney and liver problems and people who regularly take high blood pressure pills and blood thinners."

transpac

Source: @thaiNewsReports