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SYD-BKK (F) overnight BKK-KIX (J) Lounge Access

Old Jan 5, 20, 5:01 pm
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SYD-BKK (F) overnight BKK-KIX (J) Lounge Access

Hi! When I land from SYD in F will I have access to the SPA and F lounge or do I need to exit the airport after my flight?

also what are the odds of them accepting my request to just put me on the redeye flight the day before?

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Old Jan 5, 20, 5:40 pm
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Hi! When I land from SYD in F will I have access to the SPA and F lounge or do I need to exit the airport after my flight?

also what are the odds of them accepting my request to just put me on the redeye flight the day before?
For the first question, technically no access to the F lounge as under *A rules this is for departures only in the onwards cabin class - in your case this is J, not F (unlike OW rules).

Lounges do close in the small hours for cleaning etc (2am -5am I think).

Whether you can change to the red eye the night before will depend on the fare rules of the ticket concerned. No standby systems exists as in some other markets. If a flexible ticket, then I assume this is possible, perhaps with a change fee.
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Old Jan 5, 20, 5:50 pm
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Originally Posted by Thai-Kiwi View Post
For the first question, technically no access to the F lounge as under *A rules this is for departures only in the onwards cabin class - in your case this is J, not F (unlike OW rules).

Lounges do close in the small hours for cleaning etc (2am -5am I think).

Whether you can change to the red eye the night before will depend on the fare rules of the ticket concerned. No standby systems exists as in some other markets. If a flexible ticket, then I assume this is possible, perhaps with a change fee.

Hi I thought if its the same airline TG F to TG J they will allow F Class access?

Its a United Award ticket so not sure if thats a good thing or a bad .
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Old Jan 5, 20, 6:57 pm
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Its a United Award ticket so not sure if thats a good thing or a bad .
That means TG will not allow you to stand-by for an earlier flight BKK-KIX. If you want a different flight, you will need to contact UA and have award ticket changed.
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Old Jan 5, 20, 7:07 pm
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That means TG will not allow you to stand-by for an earlier flight BKK-KIX. If you want a different flight, you will need to contact UA and have award ticket changed.
wishful thinking. that flight isnt opening up
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wishful thinking. that flight isnt opening up
The best you can do, is continue to check award availability. However as you probably know, changing a UA award ticket can at times incur a change fee.
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Old Jan 5, 20, 11:22 pm
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Hi I thought if its the same airline TG F to TG J they will allow F Class access?
No. As I noted, lounge access for *A is based on the departing cabin class (and OW is different).

However, it is possible that TG staff in the F lounge might allow access anyway if connecting through the same day, but my opinion is that this is even less likely if you have an overnight and a long connection.

You can ask, of course, just set expectations low as you have no 'entitlement' AFAIK and enjoy if you get in. Others may have more recent experiences and I'll happily be corrected.

Star Alliance Airport Lounge Access

The first thing to note about Star Alliance airport lounge access policies is everything is based on your departing flight. So if you fly international first class from Bangkok to Los Angeles, and then economy from Los Angeles to Houston, you wouldn’t technically have lounge access in Los Angeles based on your ticket.
Some reading below:

https://www.travelcodex.com/star-all...um-passengers/
https://onemileatatime.com/know-loun...l-itineraries/
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Originally Posted by Amil View Post
Hi I thought if its the same airline TG F to TG J they will allow F Class access?

Its a United Award ticket so not sure if thats a good thing or a bad .
The last time I flew TG F and connected to TG J (as F is not available for that regional flight), they picked me up using the buggy and brought me to the first class lounge.

I was also allowed to use the first class spa.

Please allow me to qualify that my connection was not overnight.
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Originally Posted by Amil View Post
Hi! When I land from SYD in F will I have access to the SPA and F lounge or do I need to exit the airport after my flight?
Even if they did, it wouldn't be worth the hassle. You have better food and spa options outside the airport.
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showed both boarding passes this morning and she let me in with no issues!
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showed both boarding passes this morning and she let me in with no issues!
Well, that is good to hear. Thanks for reporting back.

What actually happens can be different to the rules, especially in Thailand.
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Originally Posted by Thai-Kiwi View Post
Well, that is good to hear. Thanks for reporting back.

What actually happens can be different to the rules, especially in Thailand.
I disagree with you on this Thai Kiwi.

While there are star alliance rules, individual airlines often have far more generous polices for passenger connecting solely on their metal.

TG is one of those. Arriving F and connecting to J they escort you to the F class lounge. I wouldn't necessarily see the overnight as being an excluding factor. Arriving pm and trying to use the lounge the next afternoon might be a stretch.

Access to the SPA is usually on the biz class basis (30 minute massage).

Many other star carriers have similar policies for their own connecting passengers including UA J, SQ F, LH F, OZ in the days they had F, and NH F when connecting at the same airport.
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I disagree with you on this Thai Kiwi.

While there are star alliance rules, individual airlines often have far more generous polices for passenger connecting solely on their metal.

TG is one of those. Arriving F and connecting to J they escort you to the F class lounge. I wouldn't necessarily see the overnight as being an excluding factor. Arriving pm and trying to use the lounge the next afternoon might be a stretch.

Access to the SPA is usually on the biz class basis (30 minute massage).

Many other star carriers have similar policies for their own connecting passengers including UA J, SQ F, LH F, OZ in the days they had F, and NH F when connecting at the same airport.
I have yet to see the TG written policy that allows what is reported as occurring. But I know that TG staff will on occasion, and maybe routinely, allow this.

The absence of written policy can be good and bad. A classic example of such opaque policy is the ROP Gold/Plat 50% award. Initially the 50% Birthday Award, to be used in your month of birth (+/- 1 month), documentation on the ROP T&C vanished and it became anyear-by-year assumed, but never guaranteed, benefit.

On your second point, I believe there are still tensions between Star Alliance written policy, and the actual practise of some *A airlines. However, I am not flying enough these days to give a personal account
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I have yet to see the TG written policy that allows what is reported as occurring. But I know that TG staff will on occasion, and maybe routinely, allow this.

On your second point, I believe there are still tensions between Star Alliance written policy, and the actual practise of some *A airlines. However, I am not flying enough these days to give a personal account
I don't know of many airlines that publish their own, more generous rules. I think UA may be the exception. LH/SQ/OZ/NH, none of them do AFAIK.

I have not once, in 20 years, been denied the TG F lounge when connecting F-J. I always assumed that the airline was looking after it's F pax, particularly given not all flight offer F for onward connections.

I don't believe this is tension between star and the airlines. I see the star benefits as a minimum standard. Airlines are free to offer over and above if they choose.
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I don't know of many airlines that publish their own, more generous rules. I think UA may be the exception. LH/SQ/OZ/NH, none of them do AFAIK.

I have not once, in 20 years, been denied the TG F lounge when connecting F-J. I always assumed that the airline was looking after it's F pax, particularly given not all flight offer F for onward connections.

I don't believe this is tension between star and the airlines. I see the star benefits as a minimum standard. Airlines are free to offer over and above if they choose.
‘Tis not the evening to be quibbling too much , however on the the last point Air NZ wont give *G an extra bag or 20kg in some fare types classified as ‘Seat Only’, similar to LX Lite fares - so clearly *G benefits are not the minimum standard as some *A carriers now have ‘exclusions’ to *Policy.

But good discussions to have.
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