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Old Mar 18, 2019, 10:00 pm
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Originally Posted by BinSabai
after details of shortcomings of the FAA in Boeing's 737Max case are uncovered, the results of such inspections are viewed a bit differently...
For at least the past 9 years business has put pressure on the US government to reduce regulation and let it self regulate. Too much business self regulation ends up in a 737 mAX. The 737 was a cow that was milked too much by Boeing. The FAA and other US air transportation regulatory agencies will now be under pressure to be more active and aggressive in its regulatory responsibility.

(The "m" in mAX is silent.")

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Old Mar 19, 2019, 5:19 am
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Originally Posted by BF263533
For at least the past 9 years business has put pressure on the US government to reduce regulation and let it self regulate. Too much business self regulation ends up in a 737 mAX. The 737 was a cow that was milked too much by Boeing. The FAA and other US air transportation regulatory agencies will now be under pressure to be more active and aggressive in its regulatory responsibility.
The FAA hasn't had a confirmed head in over a year. The current acting head is a US airline lobbyist who only got the job because the President couldn't appoint his personal pilot to the gig. What kind of magic do you think the FAA is going to perform to become minimally competent?

Edit: The answer may involve hiring a new administrator from DL flight ops, as was announced today. I suppose we'll see.

Originally Posted by BinSabai
after details of shortcomings of the FAA in Boeing's 737Max case are uncovered, the results of such inspections are viewed a bit differently...
Spend some money at the right hotels and buy a Mar-A-Lago membership or two and TG would probably pass the next day.

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Old Mar 19, 2019, 6:45 pm
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ICAO and EASA has done their audit in Thailand and has no issues. FAA tries to barge into countries or tries to invite themselves to countries that has no direct flights to the US. Many in Asia has rejected their self invitation. And now with the saga of the 737 Max, their reputation has taken a nose dive. To be honest EASA has a much better reputation than FAA in most countries. Now EASA is saying that they will not allow the 737 Max to fly in EU until they themselves are satisfied even if FAA lifts the ban.
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Old Mar 19, 2019, 9:53 pm
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Originally Posted by dav662
ICAO and EASA has done their audit in Thailand and has no issues. FAA tries to barge into countries or tries to invite themselves to countries that has no direct flights to the US. Many in Asia has rejected their self invitation. And now with the saga of the 737 Max, their reputation has taken a nose dive. To be honest EASA has a much better reputation than FAA in most countries. Now EASA is saying that they will not allow the 737 Max to fly in EU until they themselves are satisfied even if FAA lifts the ban.
Actually, CAAT follows the regulations from both EASA and FAA but they weight the regulations from EASA higher than FAA because THAI has so many direct flights to/from Europe. EASA also sending their aviation experts to helped Thai regulator before Thailand passed the latest ICAO audit.
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Old Mar 20, 2019, 12:48 am
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Originally Posted by dav662
ICAO and EASA has done their audit in Thailand and has no issues. FAA tries to barge into countries or tries to invite themselves to countries that has no direct flights to the US. Many in Asia has rejected their self invitation. And now with the saga of the 737 Max, their reputation has taken a nose dive. To be honest EASA has a much better reputation than FAA in most countries. Now EASA is saying that they will not allow the 737 Max to fly in EU until they themselves are satisfied even if FAA lifts the ban.
From what I can see, Thailand requested the FAA to come in & it appears that the FAA was trying to assist Thailand, which was different from my original understanding. Most US government agencies have had their budgets cuts over the past 9 years so there is unlikely to be a lot of the FAA invinting themselves into other countries, except for like a war. There is probably some US airline that may eventually want to fly nonstop or one stop to Thailand.

One problem with the 737 mAX appears to be that the FAA let Boeing do the work for the FAA instead of the FAA paying its own experts. The other problem with the 737 AX is that it is from a cow that has been milked too much. AX the mAX, a freak of an airplane.
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Old Mar 21, 2019, 1:47 pm
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Originally Posted by joy16
Actually, CAAT follows the regulations from both EASA and FAA but they weight the regulations from EASA higher than FAA because THAI has so many direct flights to/from Europe. EASA also sending their aviation experts to helped Thai regulator before Thailand passed the latest ICAO audit.
Actually CAAT is going to sign a MOU with EASA and next year would start the issuing of licences that are compatible with EASA because they are going to use EASA exams too. Currently they are already in the process of making their regulations the same as EASA.

As for FAA, they may have cut their budgets but I know from first hand knowledge that they have offered to a couple of countries in Asia to come and do a safety audit though there are no US airlines flying into these countries.
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Old Nov 11, 2019, 7:00 am
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according to German aviation online news "AERO" (https://www.aero.de/news-33117/FAA-s...ing-herab.html) Thailand has been downgraded to CAT II by FAA again (same as Malaysia)?
Is that new or have I just missed that out....
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Old Nov 11, 2019, 9:19 am
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Originally Posted by Creole Spirit
according to German aviation online news "AERO" (https://www.aero.de/news-33117/FAA-s...ing-herab.html) Thailand has been downgraded to CAT II by FAA again (same as Malaysia)?
Is that new or have I just missed that out....
I believe that's been the case for a few years now.
Not aware of any recent changes.
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Old Nov 12, 2019, 3:37 am
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Thanks, DH188
today's BKK Post article is confirming that: (https://www.bangkokpost.com/world/17...urces#cxrecs_s)
"The downgrade places Malaysia in the same FAA category as Thailand, which was downgraded to Category 2 in December 2015 and has since tried unsuccessfully to restore the Category 1 rating".

I just missed / forgot that
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Old Dec 13, 2019, 5:36 am
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Originally Posted by worldclubber
The ICAO, as most UN bodies, is essentially "toothless" and cannot enforce the implementation of the standards and recommended practices it develops. It has to rely on the national CAAs for that and, at the same time, depends on its members, such as Thailand ...
Utter nonsense. All USOP audits are independent. That's why Thailand failed in the first instance. In the USOP audit there could be many findings but so long as there are no significant safety concerns then it is remedial issues. The Thai civil aviation regulation itself may have findings if even it's a legal matter that has nothing to do with safety issues.
Furthermore the issues FAA highlighred are non compliance issues and may have got nothing to do with the safety.
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Old Dec 23, 2019, 2:22 am
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well it would be nice to have nonstop flights to USA... hopefully TG can figure it out.
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Old Dec 23, 2019, 5:56 pm
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Originally Posted by tshirt
well it would be nice to have nonstop flights to USA... hopefully TG can figure it out.
Even if they were allowed, chances are slim that TG would launch direct flights to the US - they have tried before and failed, as the premium market is not there to sustain in financially.
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Old Dec 24, 2019, 11:05 am
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Originally Posted by SKT-DK
Even if they were allowed, chances are slim that TG would launch direct flights to the US - they have tried before and failed, as the premium market is not there to sustain in financially.
The 789 and 359 make a nonstop a more financially viable proposition.

More generally, TG can't really make anything work these days. The issue's not the route, but how the airline is run.
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Old Dec 25, 2019, 7:33 am
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Originally Posted by Kacee
The 789 and 359 make a nonstop a more financially viable proposition.

More generally, TG can't really make anything work these days. The issue's not the route, but how the airline is run.
"Nepotism" is key for the airline's failure.
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Old Dec 25, 2019, 6:50 pm
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Honestly the standard has gone down the drain. I would not fly TG if I have a choice. It's over staffed, cronies and family members appointed to useless positions, no one takes any responsibility. Most of the senior management wait for their pensions.
When a government official flies you can see them running up and down. When a commercial passenger complains they ignore it.
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