Determining Fare Class on TAP
Jan 4, 2017, 7:57 am
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In comparison the fare structure two years ago:
One year ago:
Code:
10JAN15**10JAN15/TP LISBER/NSP;EH/TPM 1433/MPM 1719
LN FARE BASIS OW EUR RT B PEN DATES/DAYS AP MIN MAX R
01+COWTAP 664 C - - - + - - - R
02+CRTTAPDE 1107 C - - - + - - - R
03+YOWTAP 544 Y - - - + - - - R
04+YTAPDE 907 Y - - - + - - - R
05+DFLEXTAP 807 D - - - + - - - R
06+BFLEXTAP 707 B - - - + - - - R
07+ZTRIPDE 657 Z - - - + + + - R
08+MEUROPDE 607 M - - - + - - - R
09+JTRIPDE 560 J NRF - - +14+SU 1M R
10+SEUROPDE 507 S + - - + + - - R
11+HOWTAP 244 H + - - + + - - R
12+JLEISURE 470 J NRF - - + +SU 14 R
13+HEUROPDE 407 H + - - + + - - R
14+QTAPDE 361 Q + - - + + 1 - R
15+PTAPDE 326 P NRF - - + + + - R
16+VOWTAP 154 V NRF - - + + - - R
17+VTAPDE 257 V NRF - - + + + - R
18+WTAPDE 187 W NRF - - + + + - R
19+KTAPDE 127 K NRF - - + + + - R
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10JAN15**10JAN15/TP LISBER/NSP;EH/TPM 1433/MPM 1719
LN FARE BASIS OW EUR RT B PEN DATES/DAYS AP MIN MAX R
20+UOWTAP 47 U NRF - - + + - - R
21+UTAPDE 78 U NRF - - + + + - R
22+ETAPDE 53 E NRF - - + + + - R
23+TOWTAP 24 T NRF - - + + - - R
24+TTAPDE 47 T NRF - - + + + - R
10JAN15**10JAN15/YY LISBER/NSP;EH/TPM 1433/MPM 1719
25 CIF 807 + - - - - - - M
26 YIF 807 + - - - - - - M
27 CIF 1345 + - - - - - - M
28 YIF 1345 + - - - - - - M
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Code:
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10JAN16**10JAN16/TP LISBER/NSP;EH/TPM 1433/MPM 1719
LN FARE BASIS OW EUR RT B PEN DATES/DAYS AP MIN MAX R
01+COWTAP 664 C - - - + - - - R
02+YOWTAP 580 Y - - - + - - - R
03+CRTTAPDE 1107 C - - - + - - - R
04+YSRTAP 966 Y - - - + - - - R
05+DFLEXTAP 807 D - - - + - - - R
06+BFLEXTAP 746 B - - - + - - - R
07+ZTRIPDE 657 Z - - - + - 1 - R
08+MEUROPDE 616 M - - - + - - - R
09+JTRIPDE 560 J NRF - - +14+ + 1M R
10+HOWTAP 268 H + - - + + - - R
11+SEUROPDE 516 S + - - + + - - R
12+JLEISURE 470 J NRF - - + + + 1M R
13+HEUROPDE 446 H + - - + + - - R
14+QTAPDE 386 Q + - - + + 1 - R
15+VOWTAP 172 V NRF - - + + - - R
16+PTAPDE 336 P NRF - - + + + - R
17+VTAPDE 286 V NRF - - + + + - R
18+WTAPDE 216 W NRF - - + + + - R
19+KTAPDE 156 K NRF - - + + + - R
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10JAN16**10JAN16/TP LISBER/NSP;EH/TPM 1433/MPM 1719
LN FARE BASIS OW EUR RT B PEN DATES/DAYS AP MIN MAX R
20+UOWTAP 64 U NRF - - + + - - R
21+UTAPDE 106 U NRF - - + + + - R
22+ETAPDE 68 E NRF - - + + + - R
23+TTAPDE 67 T NRF - - + + + - R
24+TOWTAP 31 T NRF - - + + - - R
10JAN16**10JAN16/YY LISBER/NSP;EH/TPM 1433/MPM 1719
25 CIF 1047 + - - - - - - M
26 YIF 1047 + - - - - - - M
27 CIF 1744 + - - - - - - M
28 YIF 1744 + - - - - - - M
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Jan 4, 2017, 9:14 am
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No it's not. It's only obvious if you're on a TAP fare. If you on someone else's fare (say, UA fare, with UA flight connecting to TP, or simply a codeshare) there is no telling how TP will treat you, even of you knew the TP booking letter. In my recent experience, no matter what UA coach fare you pick and no matter what letter you get on the TP segment, TP always claims it is "discount".
Apr 9, 2017, 11:28 am
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I can sadly inform that there is no correlation at all nowadays regarding economy products and booking classes - I just booked Classic TXL-LIS-TXL and got the booking classes T and K, something the TAP booking page refused to show until I had paid the tickets, then it was suddenly clearly stated 
Yep, they have switched to a 3 letter code in the fare basis like the LH group.
Code:
04JAN17**04JAN17/TP LISBER/NSP;EH/TPM 1433/MPM 1719 LN FARE BASIS OW EUR RT B PEN DATES/DAYS AP MIN MAX R 01+C15TOP0A 772 1544 C - - - + - - - R 02+C15EXE0A 722 1444 C + - - + - - - R 03+Y15PLU0A 551 1102 Y + - - + - - - R 04+Y15CLC0A 501 1002 Y NRF - - + - - - R 05+Y15BSC0A 496 992 Y NRF - - + - - - R 06+D15TOP0A 492 984 D - - - + - - - R 07+Y15DSC0A 481 962 Y NRF - - + - - - R 08+B15PLU0A 470 940 B + - - + - - - R 09+D15EXE0A 442 884 D + - - + - - - R 10+B15CLC0A 420 840 B NRF - - + - - - R 11+B15BSC0A 415 830 B NRF - - + - - - R 12+B15DSC0A 400 800 B NRF - - + - - - R 13+M15PLU0A 400 800 M + - - + - - - R 14+M15CLC0A 350 700 M NRF - - + - - - R 15+M15BSC0A 345 690 M NRF - - + - - - R 16+S15PLU0A 340 680 S + - - + - - - R 17+M15DSC0A 330 660 M NRF - - + - - - R 18+S15CLC0A 290 580 S NRF - - + - - - R 19+H15PLU0A 290 580 H + - - + - - - R > PAGE 2/ 5 >m 04JAN17**04JAN17/TP LISBER/NSP;EH/TPM 1433/MPM 1719 LN FARE BASIS OW EUR RT B PEN DATES/DAYS AP MIN MAX R 20+S15BSC0A 285 570 S NRF - - + - - - R 21+S15DSC0A 270 540 S NRF - - + - - - R 22+Z15TOP0A 268 536 Z - - - + - - - R 23+Q15PLU0A 242 484 Q + - - + - - - R 24+H15CLC0A 240 480 H NRF - - + - - - R 25+H15BSC0A 235 470 H NRF - - + - - - R 26+H15DSC0A 220 440 H NRF - - + - - - R 27+Z15EXE0A 218 436 Z + - - + - - - R 28+V15PLU0A 205 410 V + - - + - - - R 29+Q15CLC0A 192 384 Q NRF - - + - - - R 30+W15PLU0A 189 378 W + - - + - - - R 31+Q15BSC0A 187 374 Q NRF - - + - - - R 32+Q15DSC0A 172 344 Q NRF - - + - - - R 33+A15PLU0A 167 334 A + - - + - - - R 34+K15PLU0A 157 314 K + - - + - - - R 35+V15CLC0A 155 310 V NRF - - + - - - R 36+V15BSC0A 150 300 V NRF - - + - - - R 37+J15TOP0A 143 286 J - - - + - - - R 38+W15CLC0A 139 278 W NRF - - + - - - R > PAGE 3/ 5 >m 04JAN17**04JAN17/TP LISBER/NSP;EH/TPM 1433/MPM 1719 LN FARE BASIS OW EUR RT B PEN DATES/DAYS AP MIN MAX R 39+L15PLU0A 138 276 L + - - + - - - R 40+V15DSC0A 135 270 V NRF - - + - - - R 41+W15BSC0A 134 268 W NRF - - + - - - R 42+U15PLU0A 126 252 U + - - + - - - R 43+W15DSC0A 119 238 W NRF - - + - - - R 44+A15CLC0A 117 234 A NRF - - + - - - R 45+A15BSC0A 112 224 A NRF - - + - - - R 46+E15PLU0A 111 222 E + - - + - - - R 47+K15CLC0A 107 214 K NRF - - + - - - R 48+K15BSC0A 102 204 K NRF - - + - - - R 49+T15PLU0A 101 202 T + - - + - - - R 50+A15DSC0A 97 194 A NRF - - + - - - R 51+J15EXE0A 93 186 J + - - + - - - R 52+L15CLC0A 88 176 L NRF - - + - - - R 53+O15PLU0A 88 176 O + - - + - - - R 54+K15DSC0A 87 174 K NRF - - + - - - R 55+L15BSC0A 83 166 L NRF - - + - - - R 56+U15CLC0A 76 152 U NRF - - + - - - R 57+U15BSC0A 71 142 U NRF - - + - - - R > PAGE 4/ 5 >m 04JAN17**04JAN17/TP LISBER/NSP;EH/TPM 1433/MPM 1719 LN FARE BASIS OW EUR RT B PEN DATES/DAYS AP MIN MAX R 58+L15DSC0A 68 136 L NRF - - + - - - R 59+E15CLC0A 61 122 E NRF - - + - - - R 60+E15BSC0A 56 112 E NRF - - + - - - R 61+U15DSC0A 56 112 U NRF - - + - - - R 62+T15CLC0A 51 102 T NRF - - + - - - R 63+T15BSC0A 46 92 T NRF - - + - - - R 64+E15DSC0A 41 82 E NRF - - + - - - R 65+O15CLC0A 38 76 O NRF - - + - - - R 66+O15BSC0A 33 66 O NRF - - + - - - R 67+T15DSC0A 31 62 T NRF - - + - - - R 68+O15DSC0A 18 36 O NRF - - + - - - R
TAP doesn't
Is there any way to check my booking fare class BEFORE I pay and if,where ??
Thanks beforehand.
Apr 11, 2017, 1:41 am
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The way I found is to do a dummy booking through Expedia. They show the booking class before payment. You do have to assume that being the same fare, it is booking into the same fare bucket though.
I have no evidence other than empty cabins and a perceived increase in fares but it also feels to me like TAP are deliberately limiting lower fare buckets currently, especially on the FAO/LIS feeder flights.
I have no evidence other than empty cabins and a perceived increase in fares but it also feels to me like TAP are deliberately limiting lower fare buckets currently, especially on the FAO/LIS feeder flights.
Jul 7, 2017, 7:42 pm
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I found a cheap fare on the TAP website: AMS-LIS-DKR-LIS-AMS on 9/25 and back on 10/11. Does anyone know where I can find the purchased fare class? I don't see it anywhere on the website. I want to credit my miles to UA and I know that the lowest fares do not accrual miles. I see 4 different fare types on the screen and the difference is not that huge so I'm willing to pay some extra in order to earn more miles. Does anyone know where I can find the fare codes?
Aug 16, 2017, 2:55 pm
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Aug 17, 2017, 2:26 am
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Aug 17, 2017, 5:26 am
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Aug 21, 2017, 11:35 am
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The only way I know of would be Expedia, etc but this is pretty much a try and error PITA.
TA or TP hotline would be the other alternatives I could think of.
I tried to change my booking fare at the airports TAP office and was told that only the TP hotline could process it.
TA or TP hotline would be the other alternatives I could think of.
I tried to change my booking fare at the airports TAP office and was told that only the TP hotline could process it.
Sep 3, 2017, 11:37 am
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The only way I know of would be Expedia, etc but this is pretty much a try and error PITA.
TA or TP hotline would be the other alternatives I could think of.
I tried to change my booking fare at the airports TAP office and was told that only the TP hotline could process it.
TA or TP hotline would be the other alternatives I could think of.
I tried to change my booking fare at the airports TAP office and was told that only the TP hotline could process it.
Sep 4, 2017, 2:11 am
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Just to remind you, TAP now only sells tickets as "Discount", "Basic", "Classic" and "Plus" in Economy. Therefore, you select yourself which of these fares to buy.
TAP themselves offer 10%, 40%, 70% and 100% respectively for these fare families.
Be warned that, if you claim miles in a Star Alliance programme other than Victoria, they will translate these fares ("Discount/10%", "Basic/40%", "Classic/70%", "Plus/100%") to a fare code that should earn a similar percentage in their own programme. This probably means that most "Discount/10%" fares will earn 0 in most other programmes. The mapping tables used for these purposes are not public.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/other...t-tickets.html
TAP themselves offer 10%, 40%, 70% and 100% respectively for these fare families.
Be warned that, if you claim miles in a Star Alliance programme other than Victoria, they will translate these fares ("Discount/10%", "Basic/40%", "Classic/70%", "Plus/100%") to a fare code that should earn a similar percentage in their own programme. This probably means that most "Discount/10%" fares will earn 0 in most other programmes. The mapping tables used for these purposes are not public.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/other...t-tickets.html
Sep 4, 2017, 2:23 am
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I read through that thread, but I'm confused on what are you basing this off of? If I purchase a W fare code on TP, I will earn 100% UA miles. Whether it's a Discount or Plus should be irrelevant: it's a W fare. This is exactly what Lufthansa group does. Even if I buy an LH Flex, if it's in K I won't earn miles on UA. This should be no different, no?
Sep 4, 2017, 2:41 am
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I read through that thread, but I'm confused on what are you basing this off of? If I purchase a W fare code on TP, I will earn 100% UA miles. Whether it's a Discount or Plus should be irrelevant: it's a W fare. This is exactly what Lufthansa group does. Even if I buy an LH Flex, if it's in K I won't earn miles on UA. This should be no different, no?
You can buy a "W" fare - but have to decide whether to buy it as a "Discount", "Basic", "Classic" or "Plus" fare. These are indicated in the fare basis code, via the use of DSC, BSC, CLC or PLU in the fare basis code - so it is no longer the leading letter (W, in your example) that matters.
From the examples posted earlier in this thread:
W15PLU0A 189
W15CLC0A 139
W15BSC0A 134
W15DSC0A 119
So, it's no longer the leading letter than dictates earning - it's the fare family coded into the fare basis. The good thing is - you don't even need to worry about the fare basis - you choose just from "Discount", "Basic", "Classic" or "Plus".
How the other partners translate from Discount/Basic/Classic/Plus to the old-style Y/B/M/U... table is not yet clear.
But bear in mind that United already do this, even internally in their own systems/programme.
Example copied from another thread here:
O, E, T is 10% for Asiana Club, the fact that O is higher than U is unusual, perhaps not properly updated. Asiana Club has a few of them, most notably, LOT Polish, that the accrual chart was clearly not updated when the carrier changed fare structure.
Buying up to classic does not affect the fare basis assuming the fare basis is simply the first letter of the fare.
Discount would be U15DSC, classic would be U15CSC.
What I'm trying to figure out is if TAP changes the fare basis to prevent mileage accrual on partner programs like United does with N fares.
For example, for a United flight:
City pair: SFO-SEA
Fare class: N
Fare basis code: LAA4AQBN
Disclaimer: I haven't flown a Basic Economy fare yet so I don't know how it credits to partner programs.
Buying up to classic does not affect the fare basis assuming the fare basis is simply the first letter of the fare.
Discount would be U15DSC, classic would be U15CSC.
What I'm trying to figure out is if TAP changes the fare basis to prevent mileage accrual on partner programs like United does with N fares.
For example, for a United flight:
City pair: SFO-SEA
Fare class: N
Fare basis code: LAA4AQBN
Disclaimer: I haven't flown a Basic Economy fare yet so I don't know how it credits to partner programs.
In short, trying to figure out the "leading letter" of the fare basis - i.e. if you have a fare basis W15DSC01 or S15DSC01 or Y15DSC01 - is not going to really change the fact that all are "DSC" type fares and therefore likely to map to something, in other programmes, that earns 0% or only a small amount like 10%, regardless of the first letter of the fare basis.
Sep 4, 2017, 8:01 pm
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But TAP doesn't have "W" fares any more, as such.
You can buy a "W" fare - but have to decide whether to buy it as a "Discount", "Basic", "Classic" or "Plus" fare. These are indicated in the fare basis code, via the use of DSC, BSC, CLC or PLU in the fare basis code - so it is no longer the leading letter (W, in your example) that matters.
From the examples posted earlier in this thread:
W15PLU0A 189
W15CLC0A 139
W15BSC0A 134
W15DSC0A 119
So, it's no longer the leading letter than dictates earning - it's the fare family coded into the fare basis. The good thing is - you don't even need to worry about the fare basis - you choose just from "Discount", "Basic", "Classic" or "Plus".
How the other partners translate from Discount/Basic/Classic/Plus to the old-style Y/B/M/U... table is not yet clear.
But bear in mind that United already do this, even internally in their own systems/programme.
Example copied from another thread here:
In short, trying to figure out the "leading letter" of the fare basis - i.e. if you have a fare basis W15DSC01 or S15DSC01 or Y15DSC01 - is not going to really change the fact that all are "DSC" type fares and therefore likely to map to something, in other programmes, that earns 0% or only a small amount like 10%, regardless of the first letter of the fare basis.
You can buy a "W" fare - but have to decide whether to buy it as a "Discount", "Basic", "Classic" or "Plus" fare. These are indicated in the fare basis code, via the use of DSC, BSC, CLC or PLU in the fare basis code - so it is no longer the leading letter (W, in your example) that matters.
From the examples posted earlier in this thread:
W15PLU0A 189
W15CLC0A 139
W15BSC0A 134
W15DSC0A 119
So, it's no longer the leading letter than dictates earning - it's the fare family coded into the fare basis. The good thing is - you don't even need to worry about the fare basis - you choose just from "Discount", "Basic", "Classic" or "Plus".
How the other partners translate from Discount/Basic/Classic/Plus to the old-style Y/B/M/U... table is not yet clear.
But bear in mind that United already do this, even internally in their own systems/programme.
Example copied from another thread here:
In short, trying to figure out the "leading letter" of the fare basis - i.e. if you have a fare basis W15DSC01 or S15DSC01 or Y15DSC01 - is not going to really change the fact that all are "DSC" type fares and therefore likely to map to something, in other programmes, that earns 0% or only a small amount like 10%, regardless of the first letter of the fare basis.
The GDS has 2 fields, one for fare basis and one for fare class.
In the UA example, the fare basis is XXXXXXX-BN, but the fare class is N. In TP example, the fare basis is XXXDSCXXXX, and the fare class is the first letter of the fare basis, but TP changes the fare class before reporting the earning to partner programs and refuse to provide any information to the customer besides how many miles to expect if crediting to TAP Victoria.