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ARCHIVE: TAP Air Portugal [TP] new routes and changes (obsolete)

Old Dec 16, 11, 1:27 pm
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ARCHIVE: TAP Air Portugal [TP] new routes and changes (obsolete)

as per airlineroute Berlin and Turin announced

BER as of 5JUN 5x weekly
TRN as of 3JUN 4x weekly

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Old Dec 29, 11, 9:59 am
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Rumours I've heard include TLV, DUB and BEG could be next....
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Old Dec 30, 11, 7:29 pm
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Last time TAP tried DUB was in 2006 and the operation lasted around 9 months. Now EI controls DUB-LIS.
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Old Apr 17, 12, 4:00 am
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as per airlineroute Bucharest announced

OTP as of 30JUN 3x weekly:
TP722 LIS2310 0510+1OTP 319 246
TP723 OTP0600 0825LIS 319 357

Quite surprising.
They will compete with LCC blueair on this route.

Also if I got it right this becomes the 4th longest route within Europe for TP, after DME,HEL and ARN.

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Old Apr 17, 12, 10:09 am
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Originally Posted by GBM.flights View Post
as per airlineroute Bucharest announced

OTP as of 30JUN 3x weekly:
TP722 LIS2310 0510+1OTP 319 246
TP723 OTP0600 0825LIS 319 357

Quite surprising
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I'll say! Have Romanians started a love affair with Portugal/Brasil? Or perhaps the long neglected BUH Bissau connection is getting the attention it deserves.
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Old Apr 17, 12, 2:19 pm
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I'll say! Have Romanians started a love affair with Portugal/Brasil? Or perhaps the long neglected BUH Bissau connection is getting the attention it deserves.
BUH-OXB must get a ton of traffic.
Here is the rational from the official press release. That was quick, sometimes days go by without a word.

Originally Posted by TAP press release
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Bucharest has a population of approximately two million inhabitants, making it the sixth largest city in the European Union based on this indicator. Economically it is one of the main industrial and service centres of Eastern Europe and has seen high growth over the last few years.

The Romanian community in Portugal is the fourth largest in the country, only exceeded by the communities from Cape Verde, Ukraine and Brazil.
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Old Apr 17, 12, 6:45 pm
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Maybe it would be better for TP to start flying to KBP instead of OTP and have a comprehensive codeshare agreement with PS where PS would put its code on TP's flights too.
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Old Apr 18, 12, 4:01 am
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Originally Posted by TAP-A343 View Post
Maybe it would be better for TP to start flying to KBP instead of OTP and have a comprehensive codeshare agreement with PS where PS would put its code on TP's flights too.
Well, that is already happening with PS flying KBP-LIS and TP codesharing. Then PS codeshares on TP to OPO//FAO.
And PS is a partner of Victoria

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Old Apr 18, 12, 5:51 am
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Well, that is already happening with PS flying KBP-LIS and TP codesharing. Then PS codeshares on TP to OPO//FAO.
And PS is a partner of Victoria

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I'm aware of that. But maybe TP should use its own metal.
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Old Apr 18, 12, 12:39 pm
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I'm aware of that. But maybe TP should use its own metal.
The PS flight (and TP codeshare) has been in place for a number of years so if there was bigger potential the frequency would have been increased, I guess.

I think TP on own metal should concentrate on new European destinations that can feed the Brazil/Africa operations and bringing high yield/premium pax.

KBP and OTP don't really fit in the above IMO.

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Old Apr 18, 12, 1:15 pm
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Originally Posted by GBM.flights View Post
BUH-OXB must get a ton of traffic.
Here is the rational from the official press release. That was quick, sometimes days go by without a word.



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There's also some relevant Portuguese investment in Romania.
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This is from an airline that once mooted (I kid you not!) a Lisbon Reykjavik route.

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Originally Posted by GBM.flights View Post
The PS flight (and TP codeshare) has been in place for a number of years so if there was bigger potential the frequency would have been increased, I guess.

I think TP on own metal should concentrate on new European destinations that can feed the Brazil/Africa operations and bringing high yield/premium pax.

KBP and OTP don't really fit in the above IMO.

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I agree with you.

If KBP can't work for TP with its own metal then I can't see how OTP will.
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Maybe it would be better for TP to start flying to KBP instead of OTP and have a comprehensive codeshare agreement with PS where PS would put its code on TP's flights too.
My understanding is that TP has a comprehensive codeshare in place with PS.

I assume that Ukraine is not burdened by costs and restrictive labour agreements on the same scale as TAP's, so a non-operating codeshare on this essentially low-yield route is clearly the way to go. Increasing capacity on KBP with high-cost TP-operated seats would dilute any benefits the two airlines derive from their cooperation.

Bucharest is a puzzle. I'm a generous sort, so I'll assume the planners in Lisbon know a lot more about the demand side than I do. Certainly the overnight A319 schedule improves the wider utilisation of the fleet, and the arrival time into LIS gives good connections, but still....

The press release concerning BUH and Romania seemed a tad defensive. It failed only to promote the impact of the two nations' common language roots, and Sesimbra's twinning with the Romanian town of Siret
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Old Apr 19, 12, 5:56 am
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Originally Posted by IAN-UK View Post
My understanding is that TP has a comprehensive codeshare in place with PS.
This is what I could find on Airline route (2007)

Originally Posted by IAN-UK View Post
Bucharest is a puzzle. I'm a generous sort, so I'll assume the planners in Lisbon know a lot more about the demand side than I do. Certainly the overnight A319 schedule improves the wider utilisation of the fleet, and the arrival time into LIS gives good connections, but still....
OTP poses significant challenges IMO:
- Low yield (as you've described for KBP) and not much connecting traffic. Even if there is some Portuguese investment as tff very correctly points out, it's concentrated around BCP which is in deep pain , Lena and EDP which will hire locally and not generate significant revenue to TP.
- blueair competing.
They've been plying the route since Feb07, not increased frequency IIRC (steady at x3weekly and summer only)
On top of that they used to fly night-time to OTP (as TP will do) and have meanwhile switched to day time. 10:30am departure from LIS.
Did I mention they fly return from ~160EUR? Even in August you'll find most dates will be ~200EUR return.
- ATH, which has similar profile (3weekly, nightime) just got canned for Winter season.

But as you say, IAN-UK I'll assumed the planners know a lot more about this than I do and it makes sense for TP. I'll let time tell.

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The press release concerning BUH and Romania seemed a tad defensive. It failed only to promote the impact of the two nations' common language roots, and Sesimbra's twinning with the Romanian town of Siret
Priceless.
The stuff you learn on FT. I'va actually been to Siret (quite a few moons ago) and had no clue about this.

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