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Old Jun 18, 13, 8:05 pm
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All in favor?
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Thought so
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Old Jun 18, 13, 8:13 pm
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Originally Posted by gkbiiii View Post
I think it is around the right time for their to be another vote, on the question of Spirit Airlines having its own forum. Thus I request a new discussion & vote on the above question.
What has changed regarding the discussion of Spirit on FlyerTalk since the last time you made this request?

There has been no increased demonstrated need that I'm aware of. There have been no significant improvements to their FF program. I see few proponents of Spirit.

There should not be votes held just because one or a small number of people say "I want!"
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Old Jun 19, 13, 7:03 pm
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Forum Trial Period

As I said in the Ryan forum debate, if this has been discussed for over a half a decade, perhaps its time, to give Spirit its own forum. Why can't it at least have a year trial period; which seems fair for something that has been discussed for seven years???
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Old Jun 19, 13, 7:25 pm
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Originally Posted by gkbiiii View Post
As I said in the Ryan forum debate, if this has been discussed for over a half a decade, perhaps its time, to give Spirit its own forum. Why can't it at least have a year trial period; which seems fair for something that has been discussed for seven years???
Discussed for seven years...by how many people?
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Old Jun 20, 13, 10:13 am
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Originally Posted by gkbiiii View Post
As I said in the Ryan forum debate, if this has been discussed for over a half a decade, perhaps its time, to give Spirit its own forum. Why can't it at least have a year trial period; which seems fair for something that has been discussed for seven years???
Definitely not.

"I want!" is not "discussed".
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Old Jun 20, 13, 12:05 pm
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Originally Posted by gkbiiii View Post
As I said in the Ryan forum debate, if this has been discussed for over a half a decade, perhaps its time, to give Spirit its own forum. Why can't it at least have a year trial period; which seems fair for something that has been discussed for seven years???
Just because one or two people discuss it for a long period of time does not mean there is widespread interest.

I'm not on TalkBoard, nor do I have any interest in these airlines, but here's a suggestion for you: Use the criteria the TalkBoard has developed for new forums, and make your case, politely, answering those questions, and do the legwork of figuring out how many threads discussing Spirit there have been in the last week, month, and 6 months or so. Use facts to make your case.

The following are qualitative criteria that the TalkBoard believes are useful to consider when evaluating proposals to create, close, split, or move forums. Whenever a forum change is discussed on the TalkBoard Topics, the TalkBoard encourages posters to fully address these criteria in addition to any other reasons supporting or opposing the change.

1. Will the forum be (or is it now) beneficial to FlyerTalk?

2. Will the new forum benefit a relationship with FlyerTalk? E.g., does the forum provide value for FT members, such as a friendly ear highly placed in the company

3. Is FT the best place to discuss this subject?

4. Is there a passionate following? This is essential in order to provide dedicated expert helpers to get questions answered.

5. Is a critical mass of posts and readers anticipated or existing? We need adequate traffic to keep everyone visiting frequently. One living forum is more valuable than two mostly dead ones.

6. Is this the best place on FlyerTalk for this subject? This is the classification issue. The answer depends primarily on achieving and maintaining critical mass. It also depends on whether or where the discussion might (or does) occur in the absence of the forum.

7. For proposals to split a forum, is the split expected to improve the signal to noise ratio? Why?
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Old Jun 20, 13, 8:17 pm
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Originally Posted by kipper View Post
Just because one or two people discuss it for a long period of time does not mean there is widespread interest.

I'm not on TalkBoard, nor do I have any interest in these airlines, but here's a suggestion for you: Use the criteria the TalkBoard has developed for new forums, and make your case, politely, answering those questions, and do the legwork of figuring out how many threads discussing Spirit there have been in the last week, month, and 6 months or so. Use facts to make your case.

You know, I used this advice and founded the Avianca/Taca forum!
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Old Jun 20, 13, 8:58 pm
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Originally Posted by gkbiiii View Post
You know, I used this advice and founded the Avianca/Taca forum!
So, why not try it with this?
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Old Jun 20, 13, 9:27 pm
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We could easily have a vote, but I'm not sure that, absent evidence or more support, it would pass.

I did some digging. We voted this down, 6-3, in February 2012. But the players on the TB are different now and I voted for it then, so...
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Old Jun 21, 13, 9:40 am
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Originally Posted by kipper View Post
Just because one or two people discuss it for a long period of time does not mean there is widespread interest.

I'm not on TalkBoard, nor do I have any interest in these airlines, but here's a suggestion for you: Use the criteria the TalkBoard has developed for new forums, and make your case, politely, answering those questions, and do the legwork of figuring out how many threads discussing Spirit there have been in the last week, month, and 6 months or so. Use facts to make your case.
kipper, I haven't seen a new case made by gbkiiii to justify a Spirit forum and not seen a lot of change since last year when this came up for a vote.

TB needs to know that a forum can sustain itself rather than be a rarely-populated forum. So looking at #s re: Spirit threads in the ONSAA forum:

June '13 (to date): 7
May '13: 5
Apr '13: 1
Mar '13: 2
Feb '13: 3
Jan '13: 0
Dec '12: 2
Nov '12: 4
Oct '12: 4
Sep '12: 3
Aug '12: 8
July '12: 9
Jun '12: 1
May '12: 3
Apr '12: 5
Mar '12: 3
Feb '12: 9
Jan '12: 8
Dec '11: 6
Nov '11; 4
Oct '11: 10
Sept '11: 2
Aug '11: 3
July '11: 6
June '11: 9
May '11; 2
Apr '11: 1
Mar '11: 5
Feb '11: 4
Jan '11: 6
Dec '10: 5
Nov '10: 2
Oct '10: 0
Sep '10: 3
Aug '10: 4
July '10: 4
June '10: 5
May '10: 3
Apr '10: 6
Mar '10: 6
Feb '10: 1
Jan '10: 1

Averaging all that out, it's approximately 3 threads a month for '13 (to date), just under 5 threads a month for '12 & 11, & a little over 3 threads a month for '10.

Based on the above, I'd be a no vote as I'm not seeing a forum that would generate enough traffic to be self-sustaining, vs Spirit threads staying in the current forum.

For the record, I don't hate Spirit, Easy Jet, Ryan Air or any of the other low cost carriers. I'm saving my ill feelings for Smi$ek.

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Old Jun 21, 13, 10:05 am
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Originally Posted by SkiAdcock View Post
kipper, I haven't seen a new case made by gbkiiii to justify a Spirit forum and not seen a lot of change since last year when this came up for a vote.

TB needs to know that a forum can sustain itself rather than be a rarely-populated forum. So looking at #s re: Spirit threads in the ONSAA forum:

June '13 (to date): 7
May '13: 5
Apr '13: 1
Mar '13: 2
Feb '13: 3
Jan '13: 0
Dec '12: 2
Nov '12: 4
Oct '12: 4
Sep '12: 3
Aug '12: 8
July '12: 9
Jun '12: 1
May '12: 3
Apr '12: 5
Mar '12: 3
Feb '12: 9
Jan '12: 8
Dec '11: 6
Nov '11; 4
Oct '11: 10
Sept '11: 2
Aug '11: 3
July '11: 6
June '11: 9
May '11; 2
Apr '11: 1
Mar '11: 5
Feb '11: 4
Jan '11: 6
Dec '10: 5
Nov '10: 2
Oct '10: 0
Sep '10: 3
Aug '10: 4
July '10: 4
June '10: 5
May '10: 3
Apr '10: 6
Mar '10: 6
Feb '10: 1
Jan '10: 1

Averaging all that out, it's approximately 3 threads a month for '13 (to date), just under 5 threads a month for '12 & 11, & a little over 3 threads a month for '10.

Based on the above, I'd be a no vote as I'm not seeing a forum that would generate enough traffic to be self-sustaining, vs Spirit threads staying in the current forum.

For the record, I don't hate Spirit, Easy Jet, Ryan Air or any of the other low cost carriers. I'm saving my ill feelings for Smi$ek.

Cheers.
Fair enough. I really can't argue with your no vote.

As I mentioned in the private forum, I wonder how much activity there is across all these terrible, low-cost (in theory) airlines and whether the idea to split them away into a subforum makes sense. I'm away for the weekend, so I won't be doing *that* research anytime quickly.
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Old Jun 21, 13, 10:40 am
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Originally Posted by SkiAdcock View Post
kipper, I haven't seen a new case made by gbkiiii to justify a Spirit forum and not seen a lot of change since last year when this came up for a vote.

TB needs to know that a forum can sustain itself rather than be a rarely-populated forum. So looking at #s re: Spirit threads in the ONSAA forum:

June '13 (to date): 7
May '13: 5
Apr '13: 1
Mar '13: 2
Feb '13: 3
Jan '13: 0
Dec '12: 2
Nov '12: 4
Oct '12: 4
Sep '12: 3
Aug '12: 8
July '12: 9
Jun '12: 1
May '12: 3
Apr '12: 5
Mar '12: 3
Feb '12: 9
Jan '12: 8
Dec '11: 6
Nov '11; 4
Oct '11: 10
Sept '11: 2
Aug '11: 3
July '11: 6
June '11: 9
May '11; 2
Apr '11: 1
Mar '11: 5
Feb '11: 4
Jan '11: 6
Dec '10: 5
Nov '10: 2
Oct '10: 0
Sep '10: 3
Aug '10: 4
July '10: 4
June '10: 5
May '10: 3
Apr '10: 6
Mar '10: 6
Feb '10: 1
Jan '10: 1

Averaging all that out, it's approximately 3 threads a month for '13 (to date), just under 5 threads a month for '12 & 11, & a little over 3 threads a month for '10.

Based on the above, I'd be a no vote as I'm not seeing a forum that would generate enough traffic to be self-sustaining, vs Spirit threads staying in the current forum.

For the record, I don't hate Spirit, Easy Jet, Ryan Air or any of the other low cost carriers. I'm saving my ill feelings for Smi$ek.

Cheers.
I'm in agreement with Sharon on this including being a "no" vote (and for saving my ill will for $misek but that's for another forum )
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Old Jun 21, 13, 11:18 am
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Originally Posted by RichMSN View Post
Fair enough. I really can't argue with your no vote.

As I mentioned in the private forum, I wonder how much activity there is across all these terrible, low-cost (in theory) airlines and whether the idea to split them away into a subforum makes sense. I'm away for the weekend, so I won't be doing *that* research anytime quickly.
FWIW - when the EJ/RA came up for discussion, I looked at a lot of the forums where the various LCC threads might be located & from a quick view of several of them, I didn't see a huge preponderance of threads re: them & they seemed to be ok in the current forums. We also have a Budget Travel forum, so perhaps it's as simple as moving threads to that forum if it's an issue. I'm inclined to think this is a solution in search of a problem.

Have a good weekend Rich - hopefully you'll be somewhere where it's not in the 90s & humid!

Cheers.
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Old Jun 21, 13, 11:27 am
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Originally Posted by SkiAdcock View Post
We also have a Budget Travel forum, so perhaps it's as simple as moving threads to that forum if it's an issue. I'm inclined to think this is a solution in search of a problem.
Fully agree and would much rather utilize the forums we have available now before creating new ones though that's just MHO.
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Old Jun 23, 13, 6:20 pm
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So why does Spirit and others deserve to be put into the "budget travel section"? There are more Spirit flights than Virgin America and others, yet it is just "budget"? There are much more posts about this airline that seem to be noticed by the TalkBoard body.
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