a Spirit Airlines forum, it's time
Jun 18, 2013, 8:05 pm
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Jun 18, 2013, 8:13 pm
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There has been no increased demonstrated need that I'm aware of. There have been no significant improvements to their FF program. I see few proponents of Spirit.
There should not be votes held just because one or a small number of people say "I want!"
Jun 19, 2013, 7:03 pm
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Forum Trial Period
As I said in the Ryan forum debate, if this has been discussed for over a half a decade, perhaps its time, to give Spirit its own forum. Why can't it at least have a year trial period; which seems fair for something that has been discussed for seven years???
Jun 19, 2013, 7:25 pm
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Discussed for seven years...by how many people?
Jun 20, 2013, 10:13 am
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"I want!" is not "discussed".
Jun 20, 2013, 12:05 pm
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I'm not on TalkBoard, nor do I have any interest in these airlines, but here's a suggestion for you: Use the criteria the TalkBoard has developed for new forums, and make your case, politely, answering those questions, and do the legwork of figuring out how many threads discussing Spirit there have been in the last week, month, and 6 months or so. Use facts to make your case.
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Jun 20, 2013, 8:17 pm
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Just because one or two people discuss it for a long period of time does not mean there is widespread interest.
I'm not on TalkBoard, nor do I have any interest in these airlines, but here's a suggestion for you: Use the criteria the TalkBoard has developed for new forums, and make your case, politely, answering those questions, and do the legwork of figuring out how many threads discussing Spirit there have been in the last week, month, and 6 months or so. Use facts to make your case.
I'm not on TalkBoard, nor do I have any interest in these airlines, but here's a suggestion for you: Use the criteria the TalkBoard has developed for new forums, and make your case, politely, answering those questions, and do the legwork of figuring out how many threads discussing Spirit there have been in the last week, month, and 6 months or so. Use facts to make your case.
You know, I used this advice and founded the Avianca/Taca forum!
Jun 20, 2013, 8:58 pm
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Jun 20, 2013, 9:27 pm
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We could easily have a vote, but I'm not sure that, absent evidence or more support, it would pass.
I did some digging. We voted this down, 6-3, in February 2012. But the players on the TB are different now and I voted for it then, so...
I did some digging. We voted this down, 6-3, in February 2012. But the players on the TB are different now and I voted for it then, so...
Jun 21, 2013, 9:40 am
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Just because one or two people discuss it for a long period of time does not mean there is widespread interest.
I'm not on TalkBoard, nor do I have any interest in these airlines, but here's a suggestion for you: Use the criteria the TalkBoard has developed for new forums, and make your case, politely, answering those questions, and do the legwork of figuring out how many threads discussing Spirit there have been in the last week, month, and 6 months or so. Use facts to make your case.
I'm not on TalkBoard, nor do I have any interest in these airlines, but here's a suggestion for you: Use the criteria the TalkBoard has developed for new forums, and make your case, politely, answering those questions, and do the legwork of figuring out how many threads discussing Spirit there have been in the last week, month, and 6 months or so. Use facts to make your case.
TB needs to know that a forum can sustain itself rather than be a rarely-populated forum. So looking at #s re: Spirit threads in the ONSAA forum:
June '13 (to date): 7
May '13: 5
Apr '13: 1
Mar '13: 2
Feb '13: 3
Jan '13: 0
Dec '12: 2
Nov '12: 4
Oct '12: 4
Sep '12: 3
Aug '12: 8
July '12: 9
Jun '12: 1
May '12: 3
Apr '12: 5
Mar '12: 3
Feb '12: 9
Jan '12: 8
Dec '11: 6
Nov '11; 4
Oct '11: 10
Sept '11: 2
Aug '11: 3
July '11: 6
June '11: 9
May '11; 2
Apr '11: 1
Mar '11: 5
Feb '11: 4
Jan '11: 6
Dec '10: 5
Nov '10: 2
Oct '10: 0
Sep '10: 3
Aug '10: 4
July '10: 4
June '10: 5
May '10: 3
Apr '10: 6
Mar '10: 6
Feb '10: 1
Jan '10: 1
Averaging all that out, it's approximately 3 threads a month for '13 (to date), just under 5 threads a month for '12 & 11, & a little over 3 threads a month for '10.
Based on the above, I'd be a no vote as I'm not seeing a forum that would generate enough traffic to be self-sustaining, vs Spirit threads staying in the current forum.
For the record, I don't hate Spirit, Easy Jet, Ryan Air or any of the other low cost carriers. I'm saving my ill feelings for Smi$ek.
Cheers.
Jun 21, 2013, 10:05 am
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kipper, I haven't seen a new case made by gbkiiii to justify a Spirit forum and not seen a lot of change since last year when this came up for a vote.
TB needs to know that a forum can sustain itself rather than be a rarely-populated forum. So looking at #s re: Spirit threads in the ONSAA forum:
June '13 (to date): 7
May '13: 5
Apr '13: 1
Mar '13: 2
Feb '13: 3
Jan '13: 0
Dec '12: 2
Nov '12: 4
Oct '12: 4
Sep '12: 3
Aug '12: 8
July '12: 9
Jun '12: 1
May '12: 3
Apr '12: 5
Mar '12: 3
Feb '12: 9
Jan '12: 8
Dec '11: 6
Nov '11; 4
Oct '11: 10
Sept '11: 2
Aug '11: 3
July '11: 6
June '11: 9
May '11; 2
Apr '11: 1
Mar '11: 5
Feb '11: 4
Jan '11: 6
Dec '10: 5
Nov '10: 2
Oct '10: 0
Sep '10: 3
Aug '10: 4
July '10: 4
June '10: 5
May '10: 3
Apr '10: 6
Mar '10: 6
Feb '10: 1
Jan '10: 1
Averaging all that out, it's approximately 3 threads a month for '13 (to date), just under 5 threads a month for '12 & 11, & a little over 3 threads a month for '10.
Based on the above, I'd be a no vote as I'm not seeing a forum that would generate enough traffic to be self-sustaining, vs Spirit threads staying in the current forum.
For the record, I don't hate Spirit, Easy Jet, Ryan Air or any of the other low cost carriers. I'm saving my ill feelings for Smi$ek.
Cheers.
TB needs to know that a forum can sustain itself rather than be a rarely-populated forum. So looking at #s re: Spirit threads in the ONSAA forum:
June '13 (to date): 7
May '13: 5
Apr '13: 1
Mar '13: 2
Feb '13: 3
Jan '13: 0
Dec '12: 2
Nov '12: 4
Oct '12: 4
Sep '12: 3
Aug '12: 8
July '12: 9
Jun '12: 1
May '12: 3
Apr '12: 5
Mar '12: 3
Feb '12: 9
Jan '12: 8
Dec '11: 6
Nov '11; 4
Oct '11: 10
Sept '11: 2
Aug '11: 3
July '11: 6
June '11: 9
May '11; 2
Apr '11: 1
Mar '11: 5
Feb '11: 4
Jan '11: 6
Dec '10: 5
Nov '10: 2
Oct '10: 0
Sep '10: 3
Aug '10: 4
July '10: 4
June '10: 5
May '10: 3
Apr '10: 6
Mar '10: 6
Feb '10: 1
Jan '10: 1
Averaging all that out, it's approximately 3 threads a month for '13 (to date), just under 5 threads a month for '12 & 11, & a little over 3 threads a month for '10.
Based on the above, I'd be a no vote as I'm not seeing a forum that would generate enough traffic to be self-sustaining, vs Spirit threads staying in the current forum.
For the record, I don't hate Spirit, Easy Jet, Ryan Air or any of the other low cost carriers. I'm saving my ill feelings for Smi$ek.
Cheers.
As I mentioned in the private forum, I wonder how much activity there is across all these terrible, low-cost (in theory) airlines and whether the idea to split them away into a subforum makes sense. I'm away for the weekend, so I won't be doing *that* research anytime quickly.
Jun 21, 2013, 10:40 am
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kipper, I haven't seen a new case made by gbkiiii to justify a Spirit forum and not seen a lot of change since last year when this came up for a vote.
TB needs to know that a forum can sustain itself rather than be a rarely-populated forum. So looking at #s re: Spirit threads in the ONSAA forum:
June '13 (to date): 7
May '13: 5
Apr '13: 1
Mar '13: 2
Feb '13: 3
Jan '13: 0
Dec '12: 2
Nov '12: 4
Oct '12: 4
Sep '12: 3
Aug '12: 8
July '12: 9
Jun '12: 1
May '12: 3
Apr '12: 5
Mar '12: 3
Feb '12: 9
Jan '12: 8
Dec '11: 6
Nov '11; 4
Oct '11: 10
Sept '11: 2
Aug '11: 3
July '11: 6
June '11: 9
May '11; 2
Apr '11: 1
Mar '11: 5
Feb '11: 4
Jan '11: 6
Dec '10: 5
Nov '10: 2
Oct '10: 0
Sep '10: 3
Aug '10: 4
July '10: 4
June '10: 5
May '10: 3
Apr '10: 6
Mar '10: 6
Feb '10: 1
Jan '10: 1
Averaging all that out, it's approximately 3 threads a month for '13 (to date), just under 5 threads a month for '12 & 11, & a little over 3 threads a month for '10.
Based on the above, I'd be a no vote as I'm not seeing a forum that would generate enough traffic to be self-sustaining, vs Spirit threads staying in the current forum.
For the record, I don't hate Spirit, Easy Jet, Ryan Air or any of the other low cost carriers. I'm saving my ill feelings for Smi$ek.
Cheers.
TB needs to know that a forum can sustain itself rather than be a rarely-populated forum. So looking at #s re: Spirit threads in the ONSAA forum:
June '13 (to date): 7
May '13: 5
Apr '13: 1
Mar '13: 2
Feb '13: 3
Jan '13: 0
Dec '12: 2
Nov '12: 4
Oct '12: 4
Sep '12: 3
Aug '12: 8
July '12: 9
Jun '12: 1
May '12: 3
Apr '12: 5
Mar '12: 3
Feb '12: 9
Jan '12: 8
Dec '11: 6
Nov '11; 4
Oct '11: 10
Sept '11: 2
Aug '11: 3
July '11: 6
June '11: 9
May '11; 2
Apr '11: 1
Mar '11: 5
Feb '11: 4
Jan '11: 6
Dec '10: 5
Nov '10: 2
Oct '10: 0
Sep '10: 3
Aug '10: 4
July '10: 4
June '10: 5
May '10: 3
Apr '10: 6
Mar '10: 6
Feb '10: 1
Jan '10: 1
Averaging all that out, it's approximately 3 threads a month for '13 (to date), just under 5 threads a month for '12 & 11, & a little over 3 threads a month for '10.
Based on the above, I'd be a no vote as I'm not seeing a forum that would generate enough traffic to be self-sustaining, vs Spirit threads staying in the current forum.
For the record, I don't hate Spirit, Easy Jet, Ryan Air or any of the other low cost carriers. I'm saving my ill feelings for Smi$ek.
Cheers.
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Jun 21, 2013, 11:18 am
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Fair enough. I really can't argue with your no vote.
As I mentioned in the private forum, I wonder how much activity there is across all these terrible, low-cost (in theory) airlines and whether the idea to split them away into a subforum makes sense. I'm away for the weekend, so I won't be doing *that* research anytime quickly.
As I mentioned in the private forum, I wonder how much activity there is across all these terrible, low-cost (in theory) airlines and whether the idea to split them away into a subforum makes sense. I'm away for the weekend, so I won't be doing *that* research anytime quickly.
Have a good weekend Rich - hopefully you'll be somewhere where it's not in the 90s & humid!
Cheers.
Jun 21, 2013, 11:27 am
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Fully agree and would much rather utilize the forums we have available now before creating new ones though that's just MHO.
Jun 23, 2013, 6:20 pm
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So why does Spirit and others deserve to be put into the "budget travel section"? There are more Spirit flights than Virgin America and others, yet it is just "budget"? There are much more posts about this airline that seem to be noticed by the TalkBoard body.