Closing the External Miles and Points Resources Forum
Aug 11, 2016, 1:56 pm
#31
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I think that board started out with the noblest of intents but it has turned into a snark/criticism/bashing board. In the past two months the "Post to share unique blog posts with original content" topic has exactly one post on it. It just seems that people are not looking to share unique things that they've learned from bloggers, rather they have simply found an area to criticize (for the most part) 3-4 bloggers over and over again.
Aug 11, 2016, 1:58 pm
#32
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I think that board started out with the noblest of intents but it has turned into a snark/criticism/bashing board. In the past two months the "Post to share unique blog posts with original content" topic has exactly one post on it. It just seems that people are not looking to share unique things that they've learned from bloggers, rather they have simply found an area to criticize (for the most part) 3-4 bloggers over and over again.
Aug 11, 2016, 2:00 pm
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Aug 11, 2016, 5:08 pm
#34
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I've yet to see significant positive value come from discussions in the forum. And I say that as a blogger who gets a lot of love in there.
It is all kvetching, all the time. And decidedly not in the same way that the discussions about loyalty programs happen in those forums. The conversations there are not informing the broader FT membership of developments and such in the industry or really anything else of value to the community.
On the front page of the forum (covering the past 9 weeks) there are 9 threads about blogs or sites with more than 100 posts, representing a total of 5300 posts. Of the 385 members who have posted in those threads a full half of the "content" comes from only 14 members (self included). It is just the same people saying the same thing to each other over and over again. That's not a value-add environment. And it should not be too surprising that two of the voices here defending the value it provides to the community are atop that list.
If it was about discussing the industry or 3rd party events or anything else that engaged a diverse portion of the FT membership and built rather than tore down I'd likely have a different view. But that's not what it is. And I believe the numbers reflect that.
It is all kvetching, all the time. And decidedly not in the same way that the discussions about loyalty programs happen in those forums. The conversations there are not informing the broader FT membership of developments and such in the industry or really anything else of value to the community.
On the front page of the forum (covering the past 9 weeks) there are 9 threads about blogs or sites with more than 100 posts, representing a total of 5300 posts. Of the 385 members who have posted in those threads a full half of the "content" comes from only 14 members (self included). It is just the same people saying the same thing to each other over and over again. That's not a value-add environment. And it should not be too surprising that two of the voices here defending the value it provides to the community are atop that list.
If it was about discussing the industry or 3rd party events or anything else that engaged a diverse portion of the FT membership and built rather than tore down I'd likely have a different view. But that's not what it is. And I believe the numbers reflect that.
Code:
kokonutz 442 Astrophsx 316 84fiero 275 FallenPlat 229 cruisr 203 Kagehitokiri 163 sbm12 163 Adam1222 153 gpapadop 150 oliver2002 138 RFDMinnesota 128 TMM1982 128 josephstern 111 skunker 106 ---------------------------------------------50% of posts represented above this line Raffles 99 GUWonder 87 JetAway 78 lwildernorva 77 CMK10 76 iadisgreat 72 nsx 66 bthotugigem05 65 ctownflyer 63 LPDAL 57 Big_Foot 56 TheBOSman 56 pricesquire 50 AAExecPlatFlier 45 Renes Points 43 AAExPlat 42 davie355 37 HadesNL 36 eponymous_coward 32 Troopers 32 Canarsie 30 baccarat_king 29 nineworldseries 29 YoungSoloTraveler 28 IMH 26 itsaboutthejourney 24 RTW1 23 kthpence 20 LR2013 19 PWMTrav 19 rankourabu 19 SanDiego1K 18 ScottC 18 whlinder 18 HelloItsMe 17 CodeAdam10 15 Mountain Trader 15 tng11 15 beachmouse 14 heyheyha 14 runfit 14 techgirl 14 TOMFORD 14 benzemalyonnais 13 freeloader 13 Edgerfly 12 Edgerfly 12 flyingeph12 12 Fredrik74 12 ingy 12 stackm 12 Alpha Golf 11 f0xx 11 farbster 11 Hengilas 11 jubbing 11 B747-437B 10 tom911 10 AspiringWorldTraveler 9 char777 9 Duke787 9 grandgourmand 9 Non-NonRev 9 Richklhs 9 SansSerif 9 Sounder 9 Dieuwer 8 dimramon 8 glennaa11 8 mikex163 8 work2fly 8 Beckles 7 dhammer53 7 gleff 7 HouFly 7 littlewinglet 7 notquiteaff 7 obscure2k 7 scubadu 7 uclacolumbiaunc 7 100orBust 6 AAerSTL 6 belfordrocks 6 Big4Flyer 6 fartoomanyusers 6 hobo13 6 jerryhung 6 jspira 6 luluv 6 MrTemporal 6 PassengerPoldberg 6 Tracer_SEA 6 vhrum 6 AlxStevens 5 AtomicLush 5 carpentry4thought 5 Craig6z 5 Craig6z 5 dayone 5 Doctor of Credit 5 elitetraveler 5 eunduklee 5 FlyPointyEnd 5 GuyverII 5 HMPS 5 jackal 5 Long Train Runnin 5 mentor of monty 5 MSPeconomist 5 pacolovestacos 5 Randy Petersen 5 SkiAdcock 5 tcook052 5 1848 4 aktchi 4 brg 4 brg 4 chad75 4 Colin 4 DaveInLA 4 farwest101 4 filelover 4 filelover 4 German Expat 4 gpeso8 4 Jackspoint 4 Jaimito Cartero 4 jpetekYXMD80 4 LondonElite 4 MasterGeek 4 mnscout 4 paynea 4 pillow25 4 sonofzeus 4 st1575 4 TravelerMSY 4 Ziz 4 77W_12A 3 adampenrith 3 bevoinva 3 Calculon 3 cblaisd 3 cheesedawg 3 chicagoflyer1976 3 DonCarpenter 3 exoticfusion 3 G-CIVC 3 GRALISTAIR 3 Hands Mensing 3 izzik 3 justforfun 3 kmersh 3 Major G 3 MatthewLAX 3 mrpickles 3 notsosmart 3 nwflyboy 3 onesweetworld 3 OverThereTooMuch 3 PFDigest 3 Prospero 3 SANspotter 3 SeriouslyLost 3 SJC AA 3 standingoten 3 steveman518 3 stvr 3 superEGO 3 txflyer77 3 Vacationmile 3 WRCSolberg 3 24.05.2004 2 alexrg 2 aves17 2 bhatnasx 2 bhatnasx 2 Bierjunge 2 BorussiaMG 2 calwatch 2 Can I help you 2 CLEguy 2 deniah 2 felixmendelssohn 2 FlyingDoctorwu 2 Gabrca 2 GaryZ 2 GaryZ 2 HIDDY 2 humanoid94 2 IAD_flyer 2 iamthehpt 2 irishguy28 2 joejones 2 Journey4Happy 2 jrjcopp 2 MacMyDay 2 maverick17 2 mediator 2 Moderator2 2 paulqle 2 Philatravelgirl 2 progapanda 2 protagonist 2 redtailshark 2 Ricebucket 2 RunningforMiles 2 Rusdude 2 Scottrick 2 solewalker 2 steveholt 2 Sykes 2 T8191 2 tennislover9 2 theeuflyer 2 thomas199023 2 tlott 2 tlott 2 trigleek 2 underpressure 2 xSTRIKEx6864 2 You want to go where? 2 1readyset2go 1 2lovelife 1 365RoadWarrior 1 5khours 1 710 77345 1 agjil 1 airmilesfordays 1 AJLondon 1 aw4381 1 awval999 1 BadgerBoi 1 BDLORD 1 bigasiannd 1 binman 1 BOSOGG 1 Bretmd 1 brooklynmatt 1 CDKing 1 chgoeditor 1 ChiefNWA 1 China Clipper 1 CitizenWorld 1 coffee18 1 craigthemif 1 crimson12 1 crimsona 1 CRNA 1 daiseee 1 DC777Fan 1 dcperilli 1 DeterminedToUpgrade 1 edbyu 1 Epicura 1 ExSin 1 Flexible preferences 1 FlightNurse 1 floridagal23 1 flyernick 1 Flyin2 1 FlyingB1975 1 FlyinHawaiian 1 Forrest Bump 1 FreakingFlyer 1 FTR 787 1 garkster 1 Gatwick Alan 1 genie00 1 ginger50 1 gobluetwo 1 GrayAnderson 1 GrizShel 1 gvol21 1 headingwest 1 holtju2 1 howtofreetravel 1 IflyfromABE 1 ignorantcow 1 iluvdoco 1 invalyd 1 isle-hawg 1 itsmeitisss 1 Jabarie MacQuarrie 1 Jasper2009 1 Jeanne23 1 jfk747 1 jmw 1 kanderson1965 1 katstarr 1 kctigers 1 Kiwi Flyer 1 KLflyerRalph 1 kluau88 1 Lan44 1 lin821 1 LivelyFL 1 lrm72 1 Maluku_Flyer 1 mario 1 MarkMColo 1 mcc235 1 MCIUnitedGuy 1 miamiflyer8 1 MichaelWTravels 1 Miesque 1 mikeef 1 Mikel at Webflyer 1 Miles Down Under 1 milesmuncher 1 Mommy Points 1 mpkz 1 msp3 1 naples_flyer 1 nemme99 1 neuron 1 NewbieRunner 1 nk15 1 no1cub17 1 NRTBound2015 1 odin99 1 oktoberfest 1 PaladinUA 1 Parterre 1 particlemn 1 Parzival 1 patpatpatme 1 paul4040 1 Peppep 1 percysmith 1 phbl 1 prncess674 1 rabatt 1 rehoult 1 rienhart87 1 rudycantfail0 1 rufusmi 1 ryandelmundo 1 saltytheseagull 1 satman40 1 satori 1 sfoactuary 1 sharris503 1 simonspear 1 Smaug 1 Smid 1 Speedbird876 1 spideysense 1 SponsorSFC 1 ST_Hawaii 1 swag 1 Tafflyer 1 teddy25 1 The Deal Mommy 1 ThePinkUnicornShirtGuy 1 TheTakeOffRush 1 thtsapaddlin 1 Tim nice but dim 1 traveler9020 1 travelinmanS 1 ukinny2000 1 UrbanDweller 1 valdor 1 verygoodpoints 1 warreng24 1 WAS 1 will5404 1 windowontheAside 1 WineCountryUA 1 WNHHTraveler 1 Wollstonecraft 1 yoyo 1
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Aug 11, 2016, 7:38 pm
#35
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I've yet to see significant positive value come from discussions in the forum. And I say that as a blogger who gets a lot of love in there.
It is all kvetching, all the time. And decidedly not in the same way that the discussions about loyalty programs happen in those forums. The conversations there are not informing the broader FT membership of developments and such in the industry or really anything else of value to the community.
On the front page of the forum (covering the past 9 weeks) there are 9 threads about blogs or sites with more than 100 posts, representing a total of 5300 posts. Of the 385 members who have posted in those threads a full half of the "content" comes from only 14 members (self included). It is just the same people saying the same thing to each other over and over again. That's not a value-add environment. And it should not be too surprising that two of the voices here defending the value it provides to the community are atop that list.
It is all kvetching, all the time. And decidedly not in the same way that the discussions about loyalty programs happen in those forums. The conversations there are not informing the broader FT membership of developments and such in the industry or really anything else of value to the community.
On the front page of the forum (covering the past 9 weeks) there are 9 threads about blogs or sites with more than 100 posts, representing a total of 5300 posts. Of the 385 members who have posted in those threads a full half of the "content" comes from only 14 members (self included). It is just the same people saying the same thing to each other over and over again. That's not a value-add environment. And it should not be too surprising that two of the voices here defending the value it provides to the community are atop that list.
While I don't have a dog in this fight (other than as a TB member who might be required to vote to close it down if it gets to motion stage), the above to a large degree does rather cover my view (and now that I've done some minor research covered my view before!).
I do stop by the the forum on occasion & I have found that it seems to be a lot of kvetching & the same folk over & over doing so, which ties into what was said above. I'm not sure how much that really adds to FT, other than it provides a specific playground for those who want to do the blogger bashing.
It was also a concern when the forum first came up for discussion:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/talkb...ogs-forum.html
BTW - when reading the above thread, which really came down to 50/50 forr/against (going from quick memory here; I'll read the entire thread tomorrow morning), I found that I voted against the creation of the forum for the following reasons:
"For the record I've voted no on this. I stated my reasons in both threads, but to recap:
* I don't think there will be volume of threads to justify the creation of a new forum. Part of that is based on looking at Milesbuzz where there really aren't many threads re: bloggers, certainly not enough if we were considering a new forum such as airline or region, for us to vote yes.
* I think it's a solution looking for a problem.
* I have a legit concern that the forum will bog down in nastiness such as witnessed in the closed threads re: bloggers that do exist in Milesbuzz (acknowledging that mods will be tasked w/ monitoring)
* Bloggers usually post about credit card sign-ups, & we have a credit card forum for threads re: that, or they blog about airline/car rental/hotel programs & we have forums for those threads, or if it's a general travel blog/blog post, there's Travelbuzz so there are already appropriate forums that exist to handle such things
* There doesn't seem to be a huge clamoring for this forum by FTers, based on # of posts in both threads & those who have responded are about equally divided between yes & no, so other than koko really, really wanting it, I don't see a strong desire by FTers for the forum"
And in that thread I just read this (from a mod who had to deal w/ stuff before it got shunted to the new forum, so weighed a lot in my thoughts)
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/20541746-post71.html
which pertains to what was listed in this thread & also the one where the thread was split apart in
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/20544199-post78.html
BTW - after the motion passed...
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/20576968-post201.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/20577101-post202.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/20579305-post206.html
BTW - to quote myself:
"While I voted no against this forum, now that it has been approved I hope it goes well & I know the CommunityDirector & others are working to expand the remit a bit to make it a more valuable resource. And it might be a bit wild west in the beginning, but I have hope that things will settle down as time goes on."
"Since the nickname of the forum is "Koko's Playground" , I think it makes total sense for him to be ambassador. Congrats koko!"
BTW - reading the long thread I linked to above, I found this posted by koko:
"And the purpose of the forum is not to talk about the people who blog or offer other types of external points and miles resources. It's to talk about the relative merits of the various points and miles resources as a way to stay on top of earning points and miles."
And interesting response (which encompasses a lot of things pertaining to the forum:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/22368813-post300.html
Cheers.
Last edited by SkiAdcock; Aug 11, 2016 at 7:44 pm
Aug 11, 2016, 8:52 pm
#36
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If there is a cesspool that reflects poorly on FT and has no value added, it's OMNI PR. The things that are said in there literally make my stomach turn at times. Not only things that would seem to violate not only FT T&Cs but also common decency and perhaps occasionally even the law. I would be ashamed to show my mother many of the OMNI PR posts. But hey let's get upset over some negative critiques of blog posts!
Some of the comments in this thread seem to be about alleged failures of "that which shall not be named". If a post violates the T&Cs then one is free to report such and the moderator would address it as he sees fit. If someone is asserting that moderation of the forum is lacking then I would think there is a process for bringing that up as well.
These are commercial businesses being critiqued, not someone's hobby blog written for grandma to see the kids on vacation...these guys and gals are on TV, Youtube, get interviewed for news snippets, and in some cases have been bought out by huge corporations. The fact that some are run by people who also happen to be FT members shouldn't make those businesses immune from discussion about their content, within the T&Cs of the site.
Some bloggers post incorrect and misleading information, and censor their own blog comments that point out such. Others have been caught plagiarizing and blatantly violating copyright. Hard not to speak negatively about practices such as that.
If people find a forum or thread too negative, well, there's no one forcing them to read it. Again, I just don't see the concern with EM&PR when something like the horror that is OMNI PR continues to exist and has way, way more traffic.
Some of the comments in this thread seem to be about alleged failures of "that which shall not be named". If a post violates the T&Cs then one is free to report such and the moderator would address it as he sees fit. If someone is asserting that moderation of the forum is lacking then I would think there is a process for bringing that up as well.
These are commercial businesses being critiqued, not someone's hobby blog written for grandma to see the kids on vacation...these guys and gals are on TV, Youtube, get interviewed for news snippets, and in some cases have been bought out by huge corporations. The fact that some are run by people who also happen to be FT members shouldn't make those businesses immune from discussion about their content, within the T&Cs of the site.
Some bloggers post incorrect and misleading information, and censor their own blog comments that point out such. Others have been caught plagiarizing and blatantly violating copyright. Hard not to speak negatively about practices such as that.
If people find a forum or thread too negative, well, there's no one forcing them to read it. Again, I just don't see the concern with EM&PR when something like the horror that is OMNI PR continues to exist and has way, way more traffic.
Aug 11, 2016, 8:58 pm
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Aug 11, 2016, 10:32 pm
#38
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I've yet to see significant positive value come from discussions in the forum. And I say that as a blogger who gets a lot of love in there.
It is all kvetching, all the time. And decidedly not in the same way that the discussions about loyalty programs happen in those forums. The conversations there are not informing the broader FT membership of developments and such in the industry or really anything else of value to the community.
On the front page of the forum (covering the past 9 weeks) there are 9 threads about blogs or sites with more than 100 posts, representing a total of 5300 posts. Of the 385 members who have posted in those threads a full half of the "content" comes from only 14 members (self included). It is just the same people saying the same thing to each other over and over again. That's not a value-add environment. And it should not be too surprising that two of the voices here defending the value it provides to the community are atop that list.
If it was about discussing the industry or 3rd party events or anything else that engaged a diverse portion of the FT membership and built rather than tore down I'd likely have a different view. But that's not what it is. And I believe the numbers reflect that.
It is all kvetching, all the time. And decidedly not in the same way that the discussions about loyalty programs happen in those forums. The conversations there are not informing the broader FT membership of developments and such in the industry or really anything else of value to the community.
On the front page of the forum (covering the past 9 weeks) there are 9 threads about blogs or sites with more than 100 posts, representing a total of 5300 posts. Of the 385 members who have posted in those threads a full half of the "content" comes from only 14 members (self included). It is just the same people saying the same thing to each other over and over again. That's not a value-add environment. And it should not be too surprising that two of the voices here defending the value it provides to the community are atop that list.
If it was about discussing the industry or 3rd party events or anything else that engaged a diverse portion of the FT membership and built rather than tore down I'd likely have a different view. But that's not what it is. And I believe the numbers reflect that.
Code:
kokonutz 442 Astrophsx 316 84fiero 275 FallenPlat 229 cruisr 203 Kagehitokiri 163 sbm12 163 Adam1222 153 gpapadop 150 oliver2002 138 RFDMinnesota 128 TMM1982 128 josephstern 111 skunker 106 ---------------------------------------------50% of posts represented above this line Raffles 99 GUWonder 87 JetAway 78 lwildernorva 77 CMK10 76 iadisgreat 72 nsx 66 bthotugigem05 65 ctownflyer 63 LPDAL 57 Big_Foot 56 TheBOSman 56 pricesquire 50 AAExecPlatFlier 45 Renes Points 43 AAExPlat 42 davie355 37 HadesNL 36 eponymous_coward 32 Troopers 32 Canarsie 30 baccarat_king 29 nineworldseries 29 YoungSoloTraveler 28 IMH 26 itsaboutthejourney 24 RTW1 23 kthpence 20 LR2013 19 PWMTrav 19 rankourabu 19 SanDiego1K 18 ScottC 18 whlinder 18 HelloItsMe 17 CodeAdam10 15 Mountain Trader 15 tng11 15 beachmouse 14 heyheyha 14 runfit 14 techgirl 14 TOMFORD 14 benzemalyonnais 13 freeloader 13 Edgerfly 12 Edgerfly 12 flyingeph12 12 Fredrik74 12 ingy 12 stackm 12 Alpha Golf 11 f0xx 11 farbster 11 Hengilas 11 jubbing 11 B747-437B 10 tom911 10 AspiringWorldTraveler 9 char777 9 Duke787 9 grandgourmand 9 Non-NonRev 9 Richklhs 9 SansSerif 9 Sounder 9 Dieuwer 8 dimramon 8 glennaa11 8 mikex163 8 work2fly 8 Beckles 7 dhammer53 7 gleff 7 HouFly 7 littlewinglet 7 notquiteaff 7 obscure2k 7 scubadu 7 uclacolumbiaunc 7 100orBust 6 AAerSTL 6 belfordrocks 6 Big4Flyer 6 fartoomanyusers 6 hobo13 6 jerryhung 6 jspira 6 luluv 6 MrTemporal 6 PassengerPoldberg 6 Tracer_SEA 6 vhrum 6 AlxStevens 5 AtomicLush 5 carpentry4thought 5 Craig6z 5 Craig6z 5 dayone 5 Doctor of Credit 5 elitetraveler 5 eunduklee 5 FlyPointyEnd 5 GuyverII 5 HMPS 5 jackal 5 Long Train Runnin 5 mentor of monty 5 MSPeconomist 5 pacolovestacos 5 Randy Petersen 5 SkiAdcock 5 tcook052 5 1848 4 aktchi 4 brg 4 brg 4 chad75 4 Colin 4 DaveInLA 4 farwest101 4 filelover 4 filelover 4 German Expat 4 gpeso8 4 Jackspoint 4 Jaimito Cartero 4 jpetekYXMD80 4 LondonElite 4 MasterGeek 4 mnscout 4 paynea 4 pillow25 4 sonofzeus 4 st1575 4 TravelerMSY 4 Ziz 4 77W_12A 3 adampenrith 3 bevoinva 3 Calculon 3 cblaisd 3 cheesedawg 3 chicagoflyer1976 3 DonCarpenter 3 exoticfusion 3 G-CIVC 3 GRALISTAIR 3 Hands Mensing 3 izzik 3 justforfun 3 kmersh 3 Major G 3 MatthewLAX 3 mrpickles 3 notsosmart 3 nwflyboy 3 onesweetworld 3 OverThereTooMuch 3 PFDigest 3 Prospero 3 SANspotter 3 SeriouslyLost 3 SJC AA 3 standingoten 3 steveman518 3 stvr 3 superEGO 3 txflyer77 3 Vacationmile 3 WRCSolberg 3 24.05.2004 2 alexrg 2 aves17 2 bhatnasx 2 bhatnasx 2 Bierjunge 2 BorussiaMG 2 calwatch 2 Can I help you 2 CLEguy 2 deniah 2 felixmendelssohn 2 FlyingDoctorwu 2 Gabrca 2 GaryZ 2 GaryZ 2 HIDDY 2 humanoid94 2 IAD_flyer 2 iamthehpt 2 irishguy28 2 joejones 2 Journey4Happy 2 jrjcopp 2 MacMyDay 2 maverick17 2 mediator 2 Moderator2 2 paulqle 2 Philatravelgirl 2 progapanda 2 protagonist 2 redtailshark 2 Ricebucket 2 RunningforMiles 2 Rusdude 2 Scottrick 2 solewalker 2 steveholt 2 Sykes 2 T8191 2 tennislover9 2 theeuflyer 2 thomas199023 2 tlott 2 tlott 2 trigleek 2 underpressure 2 xSTRIKEx6864 2 You want to go where? 2 1readyset2go 1 2lovelife 1 365RoadWarrior 1 5khours 1 710 77345 1 agjil 1 airmilesfordays 1 AJLondon 1 aw4381 1 awval999 1 BadgerBoi 1 BDLORD 1 bigasiannd 1 binman 1 BOSOGG 1 Bretmd 1 brooklynmatt 1 CDKing 1 chgoeditor 1 ChiefNWA 1 China Clipper 1 CitizenWorld 1 coffee18 1 craigthemif 1 crimson12 1 crimsona 1 CRNA 1 daiseee 1 DC777Fan 1 dcperilli 1 DeterminedToUpgrade 1 edbyu 1 Epicura 1 ExSin 1 Flexible preferences 1 FlightNurse 1 floridagal23 1 flyernick 1 Flyin2 1 FlyingB1975 1 FlyinHawaiian 1 Forrest Bump 1 FreakingFlyer 1 FTR 787 1 garkster 1 Gatwick Alan 1 genie00 1 ginger50 1 gobluetwo 1 GrayAnderson 1 GrizShel 1 gvol21 1 headingwest 1 holtju2 1 howtofreetravel 1 IflyfromABE 1 ignorantcow 1 iluvdoco 1 invalyd 1 isle-hawg 1 itsmeitisss 1 Jabarie MacQuarrie 1 Jasper2009 1 Jeanne23 1 jfk747 1 jmw 1 kanderson1965 1 katstarr 1 kctigers 1 Kiwi Flyer 1 KLflyerRalph 1 kluau88 1 Lan44 1 lin821 1 LivelyFL 1 lrm72 1 Maluku_Flyer 1 mario 1 MarkMColo 1 mcc235 1 MCIUnitedGuy 1 miamiflyer8 1 MichaelWTravels 1 Miesque 1 mikeef 1 Mikel at Webflyer 1 Miles Down Under 1 milesmuncher 1 Mommy Points 1 mpkz 1 msp3 1 naples_flyer 1 nemme99 1 neuron 1 NewbieRunner 1 nk15 1 no1cub17 1 NRTBound2015 1 odin99 1 oktoberfest 1 PaladinUA 1 Parterre 1 particlemn 1 Parzival 1 patpatpatme 1 paul4040 1 Peppep 1 percysmith 1 phbl 1 prncess674 1 rabatt 1 rehoult 1 rienhart87 1 rudycantfail0 1 rufusmi 1 ryandelmundo 1 saltytheseagull 1 satman40 1 satori 1 sfoactuary 1 sharris503 1 simonspear 1 Smaug 1 Smid 1 Speedbird876 1 spideysense 1 SponsorSFC 1 ST_Hawaii 1 swag 1 Tafflyer 1 teddy25 1 The Deal Mommy 1 ThePinkUnicornShirtGuy 1 TheTakeOffRush 1 thtsapaddlin 1 Tim nice but dim 1 traveler9020 1 travelinmanS 1 ukinny2000 1 UrbanDweller 1 valdor 1 verygoodpoints 1 warreng24 1 WAS 1 will5404 1 windowontheAside 1 WineCountryUA 1 WNHHTraveler 1 Wollstonecraft 1 yoyo 1
Aug 11, 2016, 10:35 pm
#39
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I just scrolled through five pages of people speculating on why Lucky can't fly United anymore. The same discussion that's occurred again and again and again. To what end? It doesn't educate or foster a sense of community or better anyone. The EMP forum reads like a Youtube comment section. Aren't we better than that?
Aug 11, 2016, 10:48 pm
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The argument here has nothing to do with popularity, everyone admits the forum is popular. The argument being presented is the forum adds nothing of value to this website.
I just scrolled through five pages of people speculating on why Lucky can't fly United anymore. The same discussion that's occurred again and again and again. To what end? It doesn't educate or foster a sense of community or better anyone. The EMP forum reads like a Youtube comment section. Aren't we better than that?
I just scrolled through five pages of people speculating on why Lucky can't fly United anymore. The same discussion that's occurred again and again and again. To what end? It doesn't educate or foster a sense of community or better anyone. The EMP forum reads like a Youtube comment section. Aren't we better than that?
The recent discussion was about him stating he would be flying UA again.
Aug 11, 2016, 11:12 pm
#41
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In my opinion, there's very little reason to close forums where the information contained in the forum doesn't fit easily anywhere else. The Smokers Lounge is a great example of that. Also, people keep coming here and saying how much they like the forum and why they like it, why isn't that enough for people?
Aug 11, 2016, 11:48 pm
#42
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If the forum is closed, where will future EMPR content/topics reside on FT?
Aug 12, 2016, 12:03 am
#43
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This is all starting to sound like censorship to me. Moderate the post that are considered to be against the T&C's, but don't use arguments that it doesn't add value (based on some subjective personal scale) or that it might be insulting for members personally (these are not simple members, they run a business, and most are not even active here). It's a slippery slope if personal feelings about the value of content would determine the fate of a forum.
Aug 12, 2016, 12:22 am
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I find it an incredibly therapeutic response to the cringing that occurs while viewing the garbage fire at BA.
And if sunlight is the best disinfectant, I posit that this area is one of the few not willing to follow a blogger off a cliff, but rather call out their oft-shady tactics.
And if sunlight is the best disinfectant, I posit that this area is one of the few not willing to follow a blogger off a cliff, but rather call out their oft-shady tactics.
Aug 12, 2016, 12:56 am
#45
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...It is all kvetching, all the time. And decidedly not in the same way that the discussions about loyalty programs happen in those forums. The conversations there are not informing the broader FT membership of developments and such in the industry or really anything else of value to the community.
If there is a cesspool that reflects poorly on FT and has no value added, it's OMNI PR. The things that are said in there literally make my stomach turn at times. Not only things that would seem to violate not only FT T&Cs but also common decency and perhaps occasionally even the law. I would be ashamed to show my mother many of the OMNI PR posts.
