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Closing the External Miles and Points Resources Forum

 

Old Aug 11, 16, 1:56 pm
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I think that board started out with the noblest of intents but it has turned into a snark/criticism/bashing board. In the past two months the "Post to share unique blog posts with original content" topic has exactly one post on it. It just seems that people are not looking to share unique things that they've learned from bloggers, rather they have simply found an area to criticize (for the most part) 3-4 bloggers over and over again.
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Old Aug 11, 16, 1:58 pm
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Originally Posted by bthotugigem05 View Post
I think that board started out with the noblest of intents but it has turned into a snark/criticism/bashing board. In the past two months the "Post to share unique blog posts with original content" topic has exactly one post on it. It just seems that people are not looking to share unique things that they've learned from bloggers, rather they have simply found an area to criticize (for the most part) 3-4 bloggers over and over again.
Maybe that is more a statement to the quality of material on the blogs than the posters in EMPR.
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Old Aug 11, 16, 2:00 pm
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We get it, you and Gary are friends so you are sticking up for him, but I think we are going to need some specific examples of the "incessant personal attacks" against Gary and Ben not their blogs.

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Old Aug 11, 16, 5:08 pm
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I've yet to see significant positive value come from discussions in the forum. And I say that as a blogger who gets a lot of love in there.

It is all kvetching, all the time. And decidedly not in the same way that the discussions about loyalty programs happen in those forums. The conversations there are not informing the broader FT membership of developments and such in the industry or really anything else of value to the community.

On the front page of the forum (covering the past 9 weeks) there are 9 threads about blogs or sites with more than 100 posts, representing a total of 5300 posts. Of the 385 members who have posted in those threads a full half of the "content" comes from only 14 members (self included). It is just the same people saying the same thing to each other over and over again. That's not a value-add environment. And it should not be too surprising that two of the voices here defending the value it provides to the community are atop that list.

If it was about discussing the industry or 3rd party events or anything else that engaged a diverse portion of the FT membership and built rather than tore down I'd likely have a different view. But that's not what it is. And I believe the numbers reflect that.

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Old Aug 11, 16, 7:38 pm
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Originally Posted by sbm12 View Post
I've yet to see significant positive value come from discussions in the forum. And I say that as a blogger who gets a lot of love in there.

It is all kvetching, all the time. And decidedly not in the same way that the discussions about loyalty programs happen in those forums. The conversations there are not informing the broader FT membership of developments and such in the industry or really anything else of value to the community.

On the front page of the forum (covering the past 9 weeks) there are 9 threads about blogs or sites with more than 100 posts, representing a total of 5300 posts. Of the 385 members who have posted in those threads a full half of the "content" comes from only 14 members (self included). It is just the same people saying the same thing to each other over and over again. That's not a value-add environment. And it should not be too surprising that two of the voices here defending the value it provides to the community are atop that list.
Underlining above mine...

While I don't have a dog in this fight (other than as a TB member who might be required to vote to close it down if it gets to motion stage), the above to a large degree does rather cover my view (and now that I've done some minor research covered my view before!).

I do stop by the the forum on occasion & I have found that it seems to be a lot of kvetching & the same folk over & over doing so, which ties into what was said above. I'm not sure how much that really adds to FT, other than it provides a specific playground for those who want to do the blogger bashing.

It was also a concern when the forum first came up for discussion:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/talkb...ogs-forum.html

BTW - when reading the above thread, which really came down to 50/50 forr/against (going from quick memory here; I'll read the entire thread tomorrow morning), I found that I voted against the creation of the forum for the following reasons:

"For the record I've voted no on this. I stated my reasons in both threads, but to recap:

* I don't think there will be volume of threads to justify the creation of a new forum. Part of that is based on looking at Milesbuzz where there really aren't many threads re: bloggers, certainly not enough if we were considering a new forum such as airline or region, for us to vote yes.
* I think it's a solution looking for a problem.
* I have a legit concern that the forum will bog down in nastiness such as witnessed in the closed threads re: bloggers that do exist in Milesbuzz (acknowledging that mods will be tasked w/ monitoring)
* Bloggers usually post about credit card sign-ups, & we have a credit card forum for threads re: that, or they blog about airline/car rental/hotel programs & we have forums for those threads, or if it's a general travel blog/blog post, there's Travelbuzz so there are already appropriate forums that exist to handle such things
* There doesn't seem to be a huge clamoring for this forum by FTers, based on # of posts in both threads & those who have responded are about equally divided between yes & no, so other than koko really, really wanting it, I don't see a strong desire by FTers for the forum"


And in that thread I just read this (from a mod who had to deal w/ stuff before it got shunted to the new forum, so weighed a lot in my thoughts)

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/20541746-post71.html

which pertains to what was listed in this thread & also the one where the thread was split apart in

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/20544199-post78.html

BTW - after the motion passed...

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/20576968-post201.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/20577101-post202.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/20579305-post206.html

BTW - to quote myself:

"While I voted no against this forum, now that it has been approved I hope it goes well & I know the CommunityDirector & others are working to expand the remit a bit to make it a more valuable resource. And it might be a bit wild west in the beginning, but I have hope that things will settle down as time goes on."

"Since the nickname of the forum is "Koko's Playground" , I think it makes total sense for him to be ambassador. Congrats koko!"


BTW - reading the long thread I linked to above, I found this posted by koko:

"And the purpose of the forum is not to talk about the people who blog or offer other types of external points and miles resources. It's to talk about the relative merits of the various points and miles resources as a way to stay on top of earning points and miles."

And interesting response (which encompasses a lot of things pertaining to the forum:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/22368813-post300.html

Cheers.

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Old Aug 11, 16, 8:52 pm
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If there is a cesspool that reflects poorly on FT and has no value added, it's OMNI PR. The things that are said in there literally make my stomach turn at times. Not only things that would seem to violate not only FT T&Cs but also common decency and perhaps occasionally even the law. I would be ashamed to show my mother many of the OMNI PR posts. But hey let's get upset over some negative critiques of blog posts!

Some of the comments in this thread seem to be about alleged failures of "that which shall not be named". If a post violates the T&Cs then one is free to report such and the moderator would address it as he sees fit. If someone is asserting that moderation of the forum is lacking then I would think there is a process for bringing that up as well.

These are commercial businesses being critiqued, not someone's hobby blog written for grandma to see the kids on vacation...these guys and gals are on TV, Youtube, get interviewed for news snippets, and in some cases have been bought out by huge corporations. The fact that some are run by people who also happen to be FT members shouldn't make those businesses immune from discussion about their content, within the T&Cs of the site.

Some bloggers post incorrect and misleading information, and censor their own blog comments that point out such. Others have been caught plagiarizing and blatantly violating copyright. Hard not to speak negatively about practices such as that.

If people find a forum or thread too negative, well, there's no one forcing them to read it. Again, I just don't see the concern with EM&PR when something like the horror that is OMNI PR continues to exist and has way, way more traffic.
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Old Aug 11, 16, 8:58 pm
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Originally Posted by kellio33 View Post
It's a cesspool.
+1. I agree that this forum makes FT look bad. If people want to comment on those blogs, they are free to do it on Facebook, Twitter or even on those blogs.

FT will not lose any valuable content by shutting it down.
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Old Aug 11, 16, 10:32 pm
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Originally Posted by sbm12 View Post
I've yet to see significant positive value come from discussions in the forum. And I say that as a blogger who gets a lot of love in there.

It is all kvetching, all the time. And decidedly not in the same way that the discussions about loyalty programs happen in those forums. The conversations there are not informing the broader FT membership of developments and such in the industry or really anything else of value to the community.

On the front page of the forum (covering the past 9 weeks) there are 9 threads about blogs or sites with more than 100 posts, representing a total of 5300 posts. Of the 385 members who have posted in those threads a full half of the "content" comes from only 14 members (self included). It is just the same people saying the same thing to each other over and over again. That's not a value-add environment. And it should not be too surprising that two of the voices here defending the value it provides to the community are atop that list.

If it was about discussing the industry or 3rd party events or anything else that engaged a diverse portion of the FT membership and built rather than tore down I'd likely have a different view. But that's not what it is. And I believe the numbers reflect that.

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Thanks (as ever) for the metrics. I had no idea the forum was as popular as it is. Clearly FAR more popular than many FT forums such as Travel News and Women Travel.
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Old Aug 11, 16, 10:35 pm
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Originally Posted by kokonutz View Post
Thanks (as ever) for the metrics. I had no idea the forum was as popular as it is. Clearly FAR more popular than many FT forums such as Travel News and Women Travel.
The argument here has nothing to do with popularity, everyone admits the forum is popular. The argument being presented is the forum adds nothing of value to this website.

I just scrolled through five pages of people speculating on why Lucky can't fly United anymore. The same discussion that's occurred again and again and again. To what end? It doesn't educate or foster a sense of community or better anyone. The EMP forum reads like a Youtube comment section. Aren't we better than that?
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Originally Posted by CMK10 View Post
The argument here has nothing to do with popularity, everyone admits the forum is popular. The argument being presented is the forum adds nothing of value to this website.

I just scrolled through five pages of people speculating on why Lucky can't fly United anymore. The same discussion that's occurred again and again and again. To what end? It doesn't educate or foster a sense of community or better anyone. The EMP forum reads like a Youtube comment section. Aren't we better than that?
Ben himself brought up the UA issues in his Rolling Stone puff piece. Their are many rumors about what he did, but I'm willing to bet no one here knows the full details. Suffice it to say that UA themselves wouldn't comment on it but only said something to the effect they only kick out people for cases of fraud or other serious violations. That's going to get people talking.

The recent discussion was about him stating he would be flying UA again.
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Old Aug 11, 16, 11:12 pm
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Originally Posted by CMK10 View Post
The argument here has nothing to do with popularity, everyone admits the forum is popular. The argument being presented is the forum adds nothing of value to this website.
Wait a minute... didn't you recently post the following?

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In my opinion, there's very little reason to close forums where the information contained in the forum doesn't fit easily anywhere else. The Smokers Lounge is a great example of that. Also, people keep coming here and saying how much they like the forum and why they like it, why isn't that enough for people?
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Old Aug 11, 16, 11:48 pm
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If the forum is closed, where will future EMPR content/topics reside on FT?
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Old Aug 12, 16, 12:03 am
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If there is a cesspool that reflects poorly on FT and has no value added, it's OMNI PR.
Exactly... it's the one forum on FT I asked to be removed from early on in my membership. It was (and probably is) offensive to even read some of the titles.

This is all starting to sound like censorship to me. Moderate the post that are considered to be against the T&C's, but don't use arguments that it doesn't add value (based on some subjective personal scale) or that it might be insulting for members personally (these are not simple members, they run a business, and most are not even active here). It's a slippery slope if personal feelings about the value of content would determine the fate of a forum.
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I find it an incredibly therapeutic response to the cringing that occurs while viewing the garbage fire at BA.

And if sunlight is the best disinfectant, I posit that this area is one of the few not willing to follow a blogger off a cliff, but rather call out their oft-shady tactics.
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...It is all kvetching, all the time. And decidedly not in the same way that the discussions about loyalty programs happen in those forums. The conversations there are not informing the broader FT membership of developments and such in the industry or really anything else of value to the community.
Eloquently put.

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If there is a cesspool that reflects poorly on FT and has no value added, it's OMNI PR. The things that are said in there literally make my stomach turn at times. Not only things that would seem to violate not only FT T&Cs but also common decency and perhaps occasionally even the law. I would be ashamed to show my mother many of the OMNI PR posts.
Concur on all counts.
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