New forum proposal for South African Airways | Voyager
Oct 14, 2015, 12:12 am
#91
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Yes. And assume SA Express falls within SAA grouping? Also, isn't Safair known to the public as FlySafair?
Oct 14, 2015, 4:49 am
#92
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I still prefer my suggestion:
South African based airlines and mileage programs
South African Airways (SAA) | Voyager | British Airways (Comair) | Mango | Kulula | Safair | SA Airlink | Skywise Airlines | South African Express
Easy to find on the index page under "S" on http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/airli...-programs-374/
Also to follow the same naming convention as "Russian based airlines". Should include "and mileage programs" to include things like the Star Alliance Voyager program and Kulula's credit card, etc.
South African based airlines and mileage programs
South African Airways (SAA) | Voyager | British Airways (Comair) | Mango | Kulula | Safair | SA Airlink | Skywise Airlines | South African Express
Easy to find on the index page under "S" on http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/airli...-programs-374/
Also to follow the same naming convention as "Russian based airlines". Should include "and mileage programs" to include things like the Star Alliance Voyager program and Kulula's credit card, etc.
South African based airlines and mileage programs
South African Airways (SAA) | Voyager, British Airways (Comair), Mango, Kulula, Safair, SA Airlink, Skywise Airlines, South African Express
Oct 14, 2015, 4:53 am
#93
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How do people feel about including BA (Comair)? The FFP is BAEC which has its own forum. Yes, there are some country specific wrinkles like the credit card and the fact that it is a franchise operation - but won't it be a bit confusing? Almost all questions about Comair are currently asked in the BA forum at the moment AFAIK.
Oct 14, 2015, 8:40 am
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How do people feel about including BA (Comair)? The FFP is BAEC which has its own forum. Yes, there are some country specific wrinkles like the credit card and the fact that it is a franchise operation - but won't it be a bit confusing? Almost all questions about Comair are currently asked in the BA forum at the moment AFAIK.
Oct 14, 2015, 10:16 am
#95
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How about this for a name and the description under the name?
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South African based airlines and mileage programs
South African Airways (SAA) | Voyager | British Airways (Comair) | Mango | Kulula | Safair | SA Airlink | Skywise Airlines | South African Express
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How do people feel about including BA (Comair)? The FFP is BAEC which has its own forum. Yes, there are some country specific wrinkles like the credit card and the fact that it is a franchise operation - but won't it be a bit confusing? Almost all questions about Comair are currently asked in the BA forum at the moment AFAIK.
Nobody needs to reply. These sorts of things are above my Flyertalk pay grade. Just a thought.
Oct 14, 2015, 11:32 am
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The Community Director has let us know in the Private Forum that she wants Comair to stay in the BA Forum. That's fine with me. If we remove it from cooleddie's excellent formatting I think we're still looking good.
Oct 14, 2015, 8:54 pm
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If the other forum is called "Russian based airlines" then this one should be "South African based airlines" with Comair and Mango mentioned in the forum description.
ADDED: Perhaps we need to delete Comair here. TB isn't obligated to follow the CD's suggestions, although note that we merely make recommendations which the CD is free to disregard.
ADDED: Perhaps we need to delete Comair here. TB isn't obligated to follow the CD's suggestions, although note that we merely make recommendations which the CD is free to disregard.
Oct 14, 2015, 11:03 pm
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If the other forum is called "Russian based airlines" then this one should be "South African based airlines" with Comair and Mango mentioned in the forum description.
ADDED: Perhaps we need to delete Comair here. TB isn't obligated to follow the CD's suggestions, although note that we merely make recommendations which the CD is free to disregard.
ADDED: Perhaps we need to delete Comair here. TB isn't obligated to follow the CD's suggestions, although note that we merely make recommendations which the CD is free to disregard.
I'm flexible either way.
Oct 14, 2015, 11:09 pm
#100
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If there's a fare sale on comair it should be on the South Africa forum for relevance. Not BA.
Issues with Comair at the South Afrucan airport or discussion on comair airport lounges would be more robust in the South Africa forum.
Same thing with discussions on delays, new aircraft type, food, service, etc. Comair/BA has ordered a bunch of 737-MAX 8 aircraft. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comair_(South_Africa)
Planes operated by comair under BA name have South African registrations. Legally it's a South African airline though BA has part ownership.
Also once the board is set up there will be more South African flyers hanging out on the SA forum. Chances of them giving input on BA is minimal.
Also as mentioned above kulula is run by comair and codeshares with BA.
I personally prefer Comair BA to be on the SA forum. However it is a grey area and I'm flexible.
Last edited by cooleddie; Oct 14, 2015 at 11:19 pm
Oct 14, 2015, 11:22 pm
#101
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If you're keeping Comair + Kulula on the BA forum, the new forum might as well be dedicated only to the Voyager participant airlines (SAA, Mango, Airlink, Express).
Neither flySafair nor Skywise has an FFP, and the jury is out whether Skywise will still be in existence anyway by the time the TalkBoard vote is finished.
Neither flySafair nor Skywise has an FFP, and the jury is out whether Skywise will still be in existence anyway by the time the TalkBoard vote is finished.
Oct 14, 2015, 11:27 pm
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If you're keeping Comair + Kulula on the BA forum, the new forum might as well be dedicated only to the Voyager participant airlines (SAA, Mango, Airlink, Express).
Neither flySafair nor Skywise has an FFP, and the jury is out whether Skywise will still be in existence anyway by the time the TalkBoard vote is finished.
Neither flySafair nor Skywise has an FFP, and the jury is out whether Skywise will still be in existence anyway by the time the TalkBoard vote is finished.
So it's either "South African based airlines" or "South African Airways | Voyager" then...
Anyways as a random thing here is a youtube video of Comair.
Oct 15, 2015, 1:01 am
#103
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If you're keeping Comair + Kulula on the BA forum, the new forum might as well be dedicated only to the Voyager participant airlines (SAA, Mango, Airlink, Express).
Neither flySafair nor Skywise has an FFP, and the jury is out whether Skywise will still be in existence anyway by the time the TalkBoard vote is finished.
Neither flySafair nor Skywise has an FFP, and the jury is out whether Skywise will still be in existence anyway by the time the TalkBoard vote is finished.
...so due to the reasons stated above......this would be my choice which I would support.
Oct 15, 2015, 3:46 am
#104
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I'm really torn on what makes sense regarding the scope of the forum. On the BA forum loads of people seem to be knowledgeable about Comair and questions get answered pretty swiftly. On the other hand there are local nuances that seldom get an airing as I and cooleddie have mentioned. Tough one...
Oct 15, 2015, 4:52 am
#105
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You're best off making it a "South Africa-Based Airlines" forum (akin to India-based and Russia-based), and include all the listed airlines on the list.
Issues dealing with the BA-branded Comair operation can go to the BA forum, while issues with the Comair/Kulula branded operation can stay in the new forum. Comair has spent a lot of time/effort developing the Kulula brand to separate its identity from the BA franchise. Very few general consumers even realise they are the same company.
It is not reasonable to expect someone seeking information about Kulula to know that Kulula is a trading name of Comair, the parent company of which also has a franchise agreement with British Airways and therefore, Kulula questions should be directed to the BA forum where they will likely get lost in the high volume traffic since >90% of the BA forum participants have no knowledge or interest in the subject matter.
Issues dealing with the BA-branded Comair operation can go to the BA forum, while issues with the Comair/Kulula branded operation can stay in the new forum. Comair has spent a lot of time/effort developing the Kulula brand to separate its identity from the BA franchise. Very few general consumers even realise they are the same company.
It is not reasonable to expect someone seeking information about Kulula to know that Kulula is a trading name of Comair, the parent company of which also has a franchise agreement with British Airways and therefore, Kulula questions should be directed to the BA forum where they will likely get lost in the high volume traffic since >90% of the BA forum participants have no knowledge or interest in the subject matter.
