Voting Ended / Motion Passed: Creation of a Smoking Section
Jul 3, 2015, 5:43 am
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I totally agree with you (and I suspect that most of those who have posted on this issue do also). In fact, I will go further and say that any post contending that smoking is good for you or that smoking is bad for you should be considered as off topic.
(But as long as this is not yet a post being made on the Smokers Forum, I will take this opportunity to point out that while smoking increases my chances of dying of heart disease or lung cancer, mathematically it has to proportionately decrease my chances of dying of everything else.
(Hence, every time I light up I am protecting myself against being knocked off in an automobile accident or dying of leprosy.)
(But as long as this is not yet a post being made on the Smokers Forum, I will take this opportunity to point out that while smoking increases my chances of dying of heart disease or lung cancer, mathematically it has to proportionately decrease my chances of dying of everything else.
(Hence, every time I light up I am protecting myself against being knocked off in an automobile accident or dying of leprosy.)
Seriously, I do agree it should not be a cat fight over the rights and wrongs of smoking. I smoke. I choose to smoke. As an adult, I legally have that right.
Jul 3, 2015, 7:06 am
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Oppose. Strong no. While FT is not the forum to discuss the health risks of smoking, the creation of such a forum would necessitate several challenges that are not worth the effort - first, it would (morally, and legally in certain jurisdictions) have to require a separate 18+ log-in in order to view the forum and certainly to post in it. Secondly, it would detract from the overall theme of this site, which really should focus on aviation-related topics. There are other websites out there for smoking-related issues.
Finally, can you rest easy at night knowing you have supported something that may entice or make it easier for others to indulge in something that is a certain hazard? It may be legal, but that doesn't make it right to support. We should not judge others as no one has perfect behavior, so we are not looking down on smokers, but rather, supporting the greater good, which is something that even smokers can agree to.
Finally, can you rest easy at night knowing you have supported something that may entice or make it easier for others to indulge in something that is a certain hazard? It may be legal, but that doesn't make it right to support. We should not judge others as no one has perfect behavior, so we are not looking down on smokers, but rather, supporting the greater good, which is something that even smokers can agree to.
Jul 3, 2015, 7:27 am
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But if such jurisdictions exist, then Internet Brands will know how to handle this.
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Jul 3, 2015, 7:41 am
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Favor creation of a smoking section
I favor the creation of a smoking section.
Frankly, I am surprised at the opposition in this thread against this.
Why single out only smokers and not other special interest groups that already have made a presence on FT without a vote?
Frankly, I am surprised at the opposition in this thread against this.
Why single out only smokers and not other special interest groups that already have made a presence on FT without a vote?
Jul 3, 2015, 8:17 am
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I don't see what the big deal is in allowing a smoking forum on FT. Either there is sufficient interest to warrant such a forum, or there isn't. All of the naysayers are chiming in on topics that don't concern them, IMO. (FWIW, I am a former smoker who now vapes, but hope to quit vaping this summer. But I'd have no interest in such a forum for myself.)
Jul 3, 2015, 8:51 am
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I know one very active member who almost never flies -- but has many hotel stays.
When you rent a car you are not flying.
You certainly are not flying when you are on an AMTRAK train.
Someone who never travels at all can get very good information about credit cards on this site and even a gambler who lives within walking distance of casinos can get help about their loyalty programs.
Flyer Talk is chiefly a travel site and anything that helps a number of travelers is very much within its purview.
For a smoker who travels, this forum would be very helpful.
As for your other objections, I certainly would hate to see the day when FT does not allow people to discuss the liquor they get on flights (or in airport lounges) or disallow GLBT members to discuss their concerns even though some people feel that neither alcohol nor gay sex is in "the greater good".
Jul 3, 2015, 8:53 am
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Oppose. Strong no. While FT is not the forum to discuss the health risks of smoking, the creation of such a forum would necessitate several challenges that are not worth the effort - first, it would (morally, and legally in certain jurisdictions) have to require a separate 18+ log-in in order to view the forum and certainly to post in it. Secondly, it would detract from the overall theme of this site, which really should focus on aviation-related topics. There are other websites out there for smoking-related issues.
Secondly, are you also opposed to the traveling with kids / pets and lgbt sub forums?
Lastly, would you support a rule not allowing asking about smoking in other forums?
Jul 3, 2015, 9:03 am
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As we are a site with members throughout the world, perhaps bursa is concerned about laws outside of the US. Of course, that would mean that we are running the risk of violating Saudi or Iranian law when we discuss alcohol (or for that matter, allowing me to post when it shows "Israel" as my location).
Jul 3, 2015, 9:29 am
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As we are a site with members throughout the world, perhaps bursa is concerned about laws outside of the US. Of course, that would mean that we are running the risk of violating Saudi or Iranian law when we discuss alcohol (or for that matter, allowing me to post when it shows "Israel" as my location).
On a serious note, I wish people would more honestly post the real reason for thier objection instead of reasons that don't pass the giggle test on so many levels. Better to just say that I hate smoking and will do nothing to aid them in any way possible. A stance I would actually respect.
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Jul 3, 2015, 9:42 am
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Favor - Yes.
Having info available for smokers/vapers/chewers where they can and can't light up, will not only help them but help non-smokers as smokers would be more likely to go where they can instead of lighting up in the room next to you. In addition, if you are a strong non-smoking advocate, you will know what hotels, or areas of airports or other travel destinations to avoid. A win for everyone...well except for the maintenance people who have to clean up the mess...
Having info available for smokers/vapers/chewers where they can and can't light up, will not only help them but help non-smokers as smokers would be more likely to go where they can instead of lighting up in the room next to you. In addition, if you are a strong non-smoking advocate, you will know what hotels, or areas of airports or other travel destinations to avoid. A win for everyone...well except for the maintenance people who have to clean up the mess...
Jul 3, 2015, 9:44 am
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In Favor. I am a Pipe smoker and buy cig's because those airports that have no smoking lounge but do have restaurants that allow smoking usually only allow cigarettes, not pipes or cigars. I have to research each connecting airport I am planning to use and hope that information is up to date so, I am naturally in favor - it would be a big service to people like me, not just to know where we can smoke but what we can smoke!
Jul 3, 2015, 10:17 am
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...On a serious note, I wish people would more honestly post the real reason for their objection instead of reasons that don't pass the giggle test on so many levels. Better to just say that I hate smoking and will do nothing to aid them in any way possible. A stance I would actually respect.
Bruce
Jul 3, 2015, 11:03 am
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I fully support this idea.
It doesn't mater if I smoke or not but I think this is a great way to know where to go and where to stay away from.
I have a problem with people being all high and mighty about the use of tobacco products. Just because you don't doesn't mean that all other people share your same view.
The forums should be for open discussion about topics related to the traveling public. And as such some of the traveling public does smoke, vape, chew. Why not be a resource for all travel related questions and information?
It doesn't mater if I smoke or not but I think this is a great way to know where to go and where to stay away from.
I have a problem with people being all high and mighty about the use of tobacco products. Just because you don't doesn't mean that all other people share your same view.
The forums should be for open discussion about topics related to the traveling public. And as such some of the traveling public does smoke, vape, chew. Why not be a resource for all travel related questions and information?
Jul 3, 2015, 11:12 am
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YES, I am for it. I smoke, I feel some of those opposed are ex-smokers... Remember cigarette taxes pay for many things in your state. Should coke or pepsi be banned too? I am anti sugar, but I would not oppose. Bad things, tobacco, sugar, trans fat, are all bad for you. But they do employ people too. Yes it probably causes higher insurance rates, but should we bad everything that is bad for you? The government is into to many things, lets not let it spread to freedom to post. If you are anti smoking, don't read the threads on the subject. Trust me, those posts, if approved wont hurt you. Second hand posts? (Second had smoking).
Jul 3, 2015, 12:37 pm
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Sometimes I wish we could actually give people the world they seem to want and start outlawing all that is bad for their health. Let's start from the top and then move down to smoking. Smoking won't be at the bottom of the list but it's sure not going to be number one
Btw, when is the vote and decision?