I'll say it publicly: I don't think she's embarrassed at all.

Motions shouldn't die on the vine. That's bad management. Stand up and choose a side and move forward. I will remember this for a long time.

And there you have it. Acceptance is the first step.

Agreed 100%! ^

Agreed 100% (redux)! ^

Agreed 100% (redux redux)! ^

I'll say this. The public fighting amongst TB members as seen throughout in this and another thread does not benefit either TB or FT and is disappointing.

Re: damned if do & damned if don't re: motions passing/failing. That's always been a facet of TB from the beginning & is nothing new.

Cheers.

I admit there's something to what you said, but this is different. We have one real job and that is to vote on amendments. We're even given two weeks to do it. If you don't vote, especially beacuse you fell asleep, you're derelict in your duties.

If I had done this, I'd expect this kind of backlash and I'd also turn in my resignation.

I don't feel bad about my comments at all - public or private. This is embarrassing and deserving of criticism, both on a Board level and on an individual level.

How is criticizing someone for not doing his/her elected job "disappointing"? We're not giving participation trophies here. Folks RAN for this volunteer job. If you're not going to perform the duties, why run in the first place? At the very least, every person who voted for that member should feel let down. Membership deserves better. It's not like we're voting on measures on a daily basis, or don't get enough time to make a choice.

I would hope folks would call me out if I failed like this. And that's what it is: failure. Not a failure of the motion, but of the process.

Wow.

That's deeply disappointing.

A lot of people spent a lot of time and effort to come up with this proposal, discussing it, dissecting it. But you knew you were the deciding vote and you didn't vote on it because you fell asleep?

I guess I appreciate your honesty. But honestly. That's just rude.

Why was this issue put out for public discussion and vote? This seems to be a purely procedural TalkBoard matter that could have been decided privately. It's unfortunate if your rules don't allow for any private decision making.

Perhaps the proposal I offered back at the start of this thread?

It's a matter of transparency.

Decisions on procedural matters impact the ability of posters to know about, see, comment on and react to TB decisions. So posters should be able to have their say on them.

Apology accepted. It's just an Internet board.

Exactly. I don't think doing things "in the dark" is a good policy or practice.

Furthermore some of the people commenting will be on a future TakkBoard. They might as well help out now in this forum.

Oh, dear Lord--can you imagine the accusations of black helicopters that would fly around* if TalkBoard ever made a decision like this solely in the confines of the private forum?!

*Pun not intended, but on second glance, I rather like how it came out. :D

I wasn't referring to just MSP missing the vote (which I agree was lame-a* & her excuse even more so).

I'm referring to the public pettiness & bickering that's been going on between some TB members for a lot of this thread & some of the other threads this year. Do you think FTers haven't noticed? (Answer: they have). Do you really think that shows TB in a positive light? I don't. There's a difference between civil discourse & presenting one's arguments pro/con & personally going after each other or in some cases going after FTers too.

Agree 100%.

Technically it didn't have to be, as TB guidelines/rules do say admin stuff can be dealt with in the private forum (and IMO some of the sniping & bickering btwn TB members should have been kept there - something TB guidelines also state ;)). But by posting the proposed motion publicly, input was garnered that helped some TB members decide yes/no & some tweaks made before it got to the formal motion stage. Nothing wrong with that.

Cheers.