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Suggestion: Move Frontier EarlyReturns forum into Budget NA/SA

 
Old Aug 6, 14, 9:22 pm
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Suggestion: Move Frontier EarlyReturns forum into Budget NA/SA

With today's Black Wednesday e-mail announcement from Frontier that the EarlyReturns program (Ascent/Summit) dies February 20, 2015 in favor of a zombie-like "Frontier Elite" program with virtually no benefits, I'd like to propose that we also kill off the Frontier EarlyReturns forum and place Frontier where it aspires to be: In Budget North and South American Airlines.

Budget NA/SA is already home to Spirit and Allegiant posts, and if there's ever been an airline that wants to out-ULCC Spirit, it's the "new" Frontier.

Since the 2015 FF program will be practically nothing, and there's every indication that Frontier will eliminate the dregs in a short time anyway, I say put the Frontier forum out of its misery.
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Old Aug 7, 14, 5:35 am
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Originally Posted by DenverBrian View Post
With today's Black Wednesday e-mail announcement from Frontier that the EarlyReturns program (Ascent/Summit) dies February 20, 2015 in favor of a zombie-like "Frontier Elite" program with virtually no benefits, I'd like to propose that we also kill off the Frontier EarlyReturns forum and place Frontier where it aspires to be: In Budget North and South American Airlines.

Budget NA/SA is already home to Spirit and Allegiant posts, and if there's ever been an airline that wants to out-ULCC Spirit, it's the "new" Frontier.

Since the 2015 FF program will be practically nothing, and there's every indication that Frontier will eliminate the dregs in a short time anyway, I say put the Frontier forum out of its misery.
While the Feb. 2015 changes may impact the Frontier forum's useage, it seems to still be pretty active after a cursory look. Perhaps, once the changes are implemented, traffic may fall and warrant moving the thread.

In the N/S America Budget forum, looking at the first two pages, 32 threads relate to Spirit and 4 related to Allegiant.

If anything, I'd wonder if Spirit warrants consideration for its own forum?
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Old Aug 7, 14, 8:31 am
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Originally Posted by rwoman View Post
If anything, I'd wonder if Spirit warrants consideration for its own forum?
I think Spirit needs its own forum. Especially now that more people will be shopping around due to not so good FF programs out there.
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Old Aug 7, 14, 7:04 pm
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I'm the one who suggested bringing this subject up here. If you look in the thread about the elite program changes there are at least half a dozen FTers saying they're done with F9. I could see traffic falling off greatly. It's something I'd consider voting for.
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Old Aug 7, 14, 8:02 pm
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I don't think devaluing, or even eliminating, elite status is a reason to close a forum. Likewise, I don't think angry initial reactions are a meaningful indicator of future flying or posting behavior. Every program makes changes, and every change is perceived as a devaluation by some posters. The early outrage often evaporates as people realize that what matters is not this year's program versus last year's, but rather this year's program versus the competition.

I would revisit this in 2016.

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Old Aug 8, 14, 8:01 am
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Originally Posted by rwoman View Post
While the Feb. 2015 changes may impact the Frontier forum's useage, it seems to still be pretty active after a cursory look. Perhaps, once the changes are implemented, traffic may fall and warrant moving the thread.
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I don't think devaluing, or even eliminating, elite status is a reason to close a forum. Likewise, I don't think angry initial reactions are a meaningful indicator of future flying or posting behavior. Every program makes changes, and every change is perceived as a devaluation by some posters. The early outrage often evaporates as people realize that what matters is not this year's program versus last year's, but rather this year's program versus the competition.
I'm inclined to agree. There's certainly no need to close it even before the changes have taken effect.

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Old Aug 8, 14, 11:17 am
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Originally Posted by mia View Post
I don't think devaluing, or even eliminating, elite status is a reason to close a forum. Likewise, I don't think angry initial reactions are a meaningful indicator of future flying or posting behavior. Every program makes changes, and every change is perceived as a devaluation by some posters. The early outrage often evaporates as people realize that what matters is not this year's program versus last year's, but rather this year's program versus the competition.

I would revisit this in 2016.
I would agree.
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Old Aug 9, 14, 6:46 pm
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Originally Posted by rwoman View Post
While the Feb. 2015 changes may impact the Frontier forum's useage, it seems to still be pretty active after a cursory look. Perhaps, once the changes are implemented, traffic may fall and warrant moving the thread.

In the N/S America Budget forum, looking at the first two pages, 32 threads relate to Spirit and 4 related to Allegiant.

If anything, I'd wonder if Spirit warrants consideration for its own forum?
Well, it's certainly tradition at FT that the forums are not for airlines per se but for airline programs - and if Frontier is gutting/eliminating its airline program, then it would seem to make sense to fold it into another forum.
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Old Aug 12, 14, 8:00 am
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Originally Posted by DenverBrian View Post
Well, it's certainly tradition at FT that the forums are not for airlines per se but for airline programs - and if Frontier is gutting/eliminating its airline program, then it would seem to make sense to fold it into another forum.
It will still have a program with earning/redemption and elite benefits. Far more of a FF program than Spirit and other discount North American airlines that dont have their own forums.

http://www.flyfrontier.com/frequent-.../Elite-Changes

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Well, it's certainly tradition at FT that the forums are not for airlines per se but for airline programs - and if Frontier is gutting/eliminating its airline program, then it would seem to make sense to fold it into another forum.
Yes and no. I think this was true when FT was first started and this was reflected in having forums named after the FF programs for a long time.

However, over the years, FT evolved so that the airlines themselves (basically flying them) was also discussed in those forums.

We recognized this by changing all of the airline forum names to emphasize that discussion of the airline itself is certainly appropriate, in accordance with the forum descriptions.
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Originally Posted by CDKing View Post
It will still have a program with earning/redemption and elite benefits. Far more of a FF program than Spirit and other discount North American airlines that dont have their own forums.

http://www.flyfrontier.com/frequent-.../Elite-Changes
It's going to have about the same program as Porter and they don't have their own forum.
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Old Aug 12, 14, 1:19 pm
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist View Post
Yes and no. I think this was true when FT was first started and this was reflected in having forums named after the FF programs for a long time.

However, over the years, FT evolved so that the airlines themselves (basically flying them) was also discussed in those forums.

We recognized this by changing all of the airline forum names to emphasize that discussion of the airline itself is certainly appropriate, in accordance with the forum descriptions.
Agree.

But getting back to the suggestion. I think it's very premature to suggest closing the forum given the changes in the program don't take effect until next year & we have no idea how the forum will change (or not) until after they're implemented. Heck, if we went w/ that we would have closed down the United forum on 3/11/12

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Old Aug 12, 14, 3:43 pm
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Agree.

But getting back to the suggestion. I think it's very premature to suggest closing the forum given the changes in the program don't take effect until next year & we have no idea how the forum will change (or not) until after they're implemented. Heck, if we went w/ that we would have closed down the United forum on 3/11/12

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Which, in retrospect, might have been a good idea. Kidding...kind of.
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Old Aug 12, 14, 7:13 pm
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It's going to have about the same program as Porter and they don't have their own forum.
Looking at Other North American Carriers, Porter has 7 threads with comments since the year started. 66 threads since 2007

Looking in frontiers forum, 7 threads with new comments just in the last 2 days with over 100 threads with comments in 2014

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Old Aug 12, 14, 7:37 pm
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Merging forums can create critical mass but it also dilutes program-specific information. I see more cost than benefit to this suggestion.
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