Motion Passed: Create a Trusted Traveler forum
Oct 19, 2013, 7:11 pm
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No, that's not it at all, as I see it - as I posted the new TSA Pre✓™ /PreCheck program parameters above. The vetting will still occur, and now they have some experience in doing the database checking - and it will cost $85 for five years of "membership". So, there will be a fee required, it just won't be dependent on paying for GE / GOES or having airline status.
I see a lot of trusted traveller stuff in TSS-Practical as well as airlines and destination fora. IMO, the information seems quite fragmented, and TSA Pre✓™ is now going to be delinkned form airlines. If TB goes ahead with this proposal, it will be a subforum of TSS.
I see a lot of trusted traveller stuff in TSS-Practical as well as airlines and destination fora. IMO, the information seems quite fragmented, and TSA Pre✓™ is now going to be delinkned form airlines. If TB goes ahead with this proposal, it will be a subforum of TSS.
Originally Posted by SkiAdcock
It's because those who have been participating in the Practical forum that the request was made to create the 3rd forum, as Trusted Traveler threads seem to be overwhelming the Practical forum (see the discussion in the link in post #1) & those who have questions or need additional information for something other than TT need to wade through the TT threads to find it.
The mods of TSS are ok with the change, and the majority of the FTers responding have been supportive. In fact, it's due to the input in the discussion thread by FTers that the forum description was adapted to not be so US-centric.
The mods of TSS are ok with the change, and the majority of the FTers responding have been supportive. In fact, it's due to the input in the discussion thread by FTers that the forum description was adapted to not be so US-centric.
TSA PreCheck is going to continue to be more commonly offered even to people who are neither airline FFP elites nor paid members in some DHS program(s). Welcome to "managed inclusion" which will make PreCheck LLL type screening available to those without background checks or program payment.
So non-"trusted traveler" PreCheck-related questions should be home in some place beside the proposed new forum? If the answer is that they should go into this new forum, why?
I'm not sure why a new forum needs to be created when the current forums are available and have worked to help get people answers for questions related to screening checkpoints and borders.
So non-"trusted traveler" PreCheck-related questions should be home in some place beside the proposed new forum? If the answer is that they should go into this new forum, why?
I'm not sure why a new forum needs to be created when the current forums are available and have worked to help get people answers for questions related to screening checkpoints and borders.
Last edited by JDiver; Oct 19, 2013 at 11:25 pm
Oct 19, 2013, 9:58 pm
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TSA PreCheck is going to continue to be more commonly offered even to people who are neither airline FFP elites nor paid members in some DHS program(s). Welcome to "managed inclusion" which will make PreCheck LLL type screening available to those without background checks or program payment.
So non-"trusted traveler" PreCheck-related questions should be home in some place beside the proposed new forum? If the answer is that they should go into this new forum, why?
I'm not sure why a new forum needs to be created when the current forums are available and have worked to help get people answers for questions related to screening checkpoints and borders.
So non-"trusted traveler" PreCheck-related questions should be home in some place beside the proposed new forum? If the answer is that they should go into this new forum, why?
I'm not sure why a new forum needs to be created when the current forums are available and have worked to help get people answers for questions related to screening checkpoints and borders.
Oct 20, 2013, 12:31 am
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Unnecessary in my opinion. Too narrow a forum.
Oct 20, 2013, 1:34 am
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Oct 20, 2013, 8:20 am
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Good idea. I'm TSA Pre-approved, but have been thinking of signing up for global entry, as I do 2-3 foreign trips per year. A forum would give me some info on the best way to do this.
Oct 20, 2013, 2:48 pm
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I like the idea.
Oct 20, 2013, 9:35 pm
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I'm very inclined to vote yes, but I decided not to vote right away in order to allow time for people to make arguments either way.
Oct 20, 2013, 9:39 pm
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Agreed here:
1) I don't think there is a critical mass of threads to justify it's own forum. There might not be enough activity.
2) The fragmentation has in most cases not impeded obtaining information. Many of the questions are indeed specific to the particular forum, like airline roll outs, etc.
1) I don't think there is a critical mass of threads to justify it's own forum. There might not be enough activity.
2) The fragmentation has in most cases not impeded obtaining information. Many of the questions are indeed specific to the particular forum, like airline roll outs, etc.
Oct 21, 2013, 10:05 am
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I would like a separate forum for this, as it is hard to find the information in the existing fora.
Oct 21, 2013, 10:18 am
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Oct 21, 2013, 2:03 pm
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I can't see great value in this but would not oppose it. I would however caution against creating a forum title in which two (out of three) words have different spellings in different varieties of English.
I'd also note that not all expedited/automated entry systems have been created for "trusted" travellers. My registration for iris recognition at the German and UK borders only involved registering my passport and so confirming my eligibility to enter those countries -- not assessing whether I was more or less of a security risk than any other holder of the same kind of passport.
I'd also note that not all expedited/automated entry systems have been created for "trusted" travellers. My registration for iris recognition at the German and UK borders only involved registering my passport and so confirming my eligibility to enter those countries -- not assessing whether I was more or less of a security risk than any other holder of the same kind of passport.
Oct 21, 2013, 3:26 pm
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I support this idea. There is a lot of collective experience and information to be shared on this topic, and it is a specific enough sub-set of the security topic to be worthwhile.
Oct 21, 2013, 5:12 pm
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People who can't be bothered to do a search and instead start a thread asking a stupid *PRACTICAL* question in the *DEBATE* forum are unlikely to be dissuaded by another proper place to post such a question.
I support the idea because there is a chance it will work.
I support the idea because there is a chance it will work.
Oct 21, 2013, 5:27 pm
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For those who think it won't have the critical mass, I'd ask what the threshold should be.
10 of the first 25 threads in the Practical Travel Safety Forum currently deal with trusted traveler issues. 14 of 25 topics on the second page also deal with trusted traveler programs. That's 24 active threads in one forum within the last 20 days.
Without reading all of the threads on the first page of Checkpoints & Border Debate, it looks as if 5 of the first 25 threads are trusted traveler topics that are NOT policy discussions and would also move to the new forum.
10 of the first 25 threads in the Practical Travel Safety Forum currently deal with trusted traveler issues. 14 of 25 topics on the second page also deal with trusted traveler programs. That's 24 active threads in one forum within the last 20 days.
Without reading all of the threads on the first page of Checkpoints & Border Debate, it looks as if 5 of the first 25 threads are trusted traveler topics that are NOT policy discussions and would also move to the new forum.