Proposal: This House believes WE NEED MORE MILES! So why is this forum public?
#16
FlyerTalk Evangelist, Ambassador: World of Hyatt
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: NJ
Programs: Hyatt Globalist, Fairmont Lifetime Plat, UA Silver, dirt elsewhere
Posts: 46,919
Is that really true? Or are you just saying that because you are equally disillusioned with the whole thing, like me? I mean that would make Flyertalk no better than our "good friends", the bloggers, who steal ideas to publish them for clicks/views (which ultimately define their ad revenue).
More clicks=more revenue. I doubt there will be any kind of an argument to hide any popular forums to keep the secrets within. That's what private groups off FT are for
#17
Suspended
Join Date: Sep 2009
Programs: Gold, plat, diamond and more
Posts: 3,360
Thanks lin, that's certainly interesting. But what exactly would you like me to learn from that? That a motion can fail even if it absolutely makes sense, is frankly necessary and even has the overwhelming support of the community?
If I may quote one contributor (Sagy) from there:
If anything, that's disheartening to say the least.
This notwithstanding, that thread makes a number of excellent points and noteworthy contributions from the likes of HansGolden. I especially like his "interdependent levels" statement which really shows that a community like this can really work, even without shutting out curious newbies who are willing to learn.
If I may quote one contributor (Sagy) from there:
If anything, that's disheartening to say the least.
This notwithstanding, that thread makes a number of excellent points and noteworthy contributions from the likes of HansGolden. I especially like his "interdependent levels" statement which really shows that a community like this can really work, even without shutting out curious newbies who are willing to learn.
#18
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Marriott or Hilton hot tub with a big drink <glub> Beverage: To-Go Bag™ DYKWIA: SSSS /rolleyes ☈ Date Night: Costco
Programs: Sea Shell Lounge Platinum, TSA Pre✓ Refusnik Diamond, PWP Gold, FT subset of the subset
Posts: 12,509
So what would be the criteria for seeing the forum; 180 posts / 180 days of membership? That would lock out the OP, and the first person that replied in this thread that agreed with him.
#19
In Memoriam, FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Benicia CA
Programs: Alaska MVP Gold 75K, AA 3.8MM, UA 1.1MM, enjoying the retired life
Posts: 31,849
I'm against this proposal for the same reason I was against locking Mileage Run Deals: some of those less than 180/180 posters do contribute, and by putting restrictions on the forum you take away their opportunity to contribute let alone read the forum. We don't need any additional restricted forums here.
As you've contributed less than a post a month since you've been on FT, I don't think we're going to miss you sharing your material if you go elsewhere. There's plenty of other members here that are willing to share.
So I wonder: Why bother at all with this forum? I for one will never share either my time-tested or any of my new-found routines to get miles as long as every person can find them via Google and every blogger can just copy them and use them to get ad revenue for his blog. I mean, with no due respect, this is not the "blogger welfare" forum here, is it?
#20
Suspended
Join Date: Sep 2009
Programs: Gold, plat, diamond and more
Posts: 3,360
I'm against this proposal for the same reason I was against locking Mileage Run Deals: some of those less than 180/180 posters do contribute, and by putting restrictions on the forum you take away their opportunity to contribute let alone read the forum. We don't need any additional restricted forums here.
As you've contributed less than a post a month since you've been on FT, I don't think we're going to miss you sharing your material if you go elsewhere. There's plenty of other members here that are willing to share.
As you've contributed less than a post a month since you've been on FT, I don't think we're going to miss you sharing your material if you go elsewhere. There's plenty of other members here that are willing to share.
#21
In Memoriam, FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Benicia CA
Programs: Alaska MVP Gold 75K, AA 3.8MM, UA 1.1MM, enjoying the retired life
Posts: 31,849
That would be fine with me. I remember OMNI not having any restrictions. Just as the AA forum is open to everyone, I think every forum here should be open. I don't buy into the argument that those forums are rewards for contributing 180 posts and need to be locked down. I'd just as soon have every forum open to everyone and not have to lock down a single one.
#22
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Sep 2000
Posts: 37,486
Anyone that thinks that locking it down will stop companies from just posting a bunch so they can get in is nuts. Any company interested enough in what happens here will get in the forum.
#23
Join Date: May 2009
Location: South Park, CO
Programs: Tegridy Elite
Posts: 5,678
What would help the most is people having some restraint and discretion...but being human, there's always someone who can't.
I'm not creative enough to come up with any new methods but if I did, I would only share privately with a few trusted people. Even then I'm sure it wouldn't last forever.
#24
Suspended
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Atherton, CA
Programs: UA 1K, AA EXP; Owner, Green Bay Packers
Posts: 21,690
Someone with 15 posts is proposing this? LOL
Certainly has chutzpah.
Certainly has chutzpah.
#25
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Home
Programs: AA, Delta, UA & thanks to FTers for my PC Gold!
Posts: 7,676
Another legend thread that carries the reoccurring themes:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/talkb...ies-blogs.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/talkb...ies-blogs.html
#26
Original Poster
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: London, UK
Programs: BAEC
Posts: 32
Another legend thread that carries the reoccurring themes:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/talkb...ies-blogs.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/talkb...ies-blogs.html
Just consider for a second that in your office you had a colleague who has worked in your firm or industry for over fifteen years and has earned his fair share of experience and acknowledgement (of which you might not know but then it's none of your business). Now, this guy, he transferred to your department about two years ago, even though you didn't get to talk to him all that much because you were working on different projects. Now, suddenly, you find yourself in a meeting with him, trying to solve a problem together:
Never in a thousand years would you dream of dismissing his contributions solely on the basis that he has been in your department "for only two years" and you have only "talked to him 15 times".
I mean, you might do that of course but if you have a good manager who knows how to organise an effective group of people that gets results he will notice and you will not be reviewed as a productive member of your team. Ultimately, that's -> out for you, and nobody will care about your years of service or how much you have "talked per day").
So, as always on the intertubes, it's the old problem of people who are probably insecure or harbour anger for some reason or other, hiding behind their nicknames and perceived status (post count (not content) and time of membership) and dismissing each and every one who they perceive as being "below" them on the basis of the two parameters next to their posts. That's not how people normally behave in a social environment and it is a peculiar appearance on the web but that doesn't make it any more okay or helpful.
That's all I have to say about that... and the thread lin821 linked to (I guess, as a wake-up call?) actually saddens me. Such meta-discussions and ad hominem arguments in full disregard of the actual topic or problem are neither productive nor conducive to a community that wants to prosper and accomplish something.
Last edited by Fawlty Tower :-O; Feb 16, 2013 at 1:10 pm
#27
In Memoriam, FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Benicia CA
Programs: Alaska MVP Gold 75K, AA 3.8MM, UA 1.1MM, enjoying the retired life
Posts: 31,849
One parameter you should consider is the lack of Talk Board members posting to support your position. Those are the folks you need to win over.
#28
Suspended
Join Date: Sep 2009
Programs: Gold, plat, diamond and more
Posts: 3,360
The problem (or more precisely: the catalyst) is that FT has two indicators next to every post: The date you joined and your post count. This seems to occasionally cause a bit of an awkward personality shift (uppity?) among several (certainly not all) posters with a high post count and/or long-time membership. The hardcore people even bother to look up your "posts per day" ratio as possible means to discredit everything you say, in a committed effort to prove how ridiculous this can get if they try hard enough.
Just consider for a second that in your office you had a colleague who has worked in your firm or industry for over fifteen years and has earned his fair share of experience and acknowledgement (of which you might not know but then it's none of your business). Now, this guy, he transferred to your department about two years ago, even though you didn't get to talk to him all that much because you were working on different projects. Now, suddenly, you find yourself in a meeting with him, trying to solve a problem together:
Never in a thousand years would you dream of dismissing his contributions solely on the basis that he has been in your department "for only two years" and you have only "talked to him 15 times".
I mean, you might do that of course but if you have a good manager who knows how to organise an effective group of people that gets results he will notice and you will not be reviewed as a productive member of your team. Ultimately, that's -> out for you, and nobody will care about your years of service or how much you have "talked per day").
So, as always on the intertubes, it's the old problem of people who are probably insecure or harbour anger for some reason or other, hiding behind their nicknames and perceived status (post count (not content) and time of membership) and dismissing each and every one who they perceive as being "below" them on the basis of the two parameters next to their posts. That's not how people normally behave in a social environment and it is a peculiar appearance on the web but that doesn't make it any more okay or helpful.
That's all I have to say about that... and the thread lin821 linked to (I guess, as a wake-up call?) actually saddens me. Such meta-discussions and ad hominem arguments in full disregard of the actual topic or problem are neither productive nor conducive to a community that wants to prosper and accomplish something.
Just consider for a second that in your office you had a colleague who has worked in your firm or industry for over fifteen years and has earned his fair share of experience and acknowledgement (of which you might not know but then it's none of your business). Now, this guy, he transferred to your department about two years ago, even though you didn't get to talk to him all that much because you were working on different projects. Now, suddenly, you find yourself in a meeting with him, trying to solve a problem together:
Never in a thousand years would you dream of dismissing his contributions solely on the basis that he has been in your department "for only two years" and you have only "talked to him 15 times".
I mean, you might do that of course but if you have a good manager who knows how to organise an effective group of people that gets results he will notice and you will not be reviewed as a productive member of your team. Ultimately, that's -> out for you, and nobody will care about your years of service or how much you have "talked per day").
So, as always on the intertubes, it's the old problem of people who are probably insecure or harbour anger for some reason or other, hiding behind their nicknames and perceived status (post count (not content) and time of membership) and dismissing each and every one who they perceive as being "below" them on the basis of the two parameters next to their posts. That's not how people normally behave in a social environment and it is a peculiar appearance on the web but that doesn't make it any more okay or helpful.
That's all I have to say about that... and the thread lin821 linked to (I guess, as a wake-up call?) actually saddens me. Such meta-discussions and ad hominem arguments in full disregard of the actual topic or problem are neither productive nor conducive to a community that wants to prosper and accomplish something.
#29
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Boise, ID
Posts: 61
My opinion means nothing at this point but here it is anyway: Please keep the OMNI section the way it is. As someone starting out I can tell you I have plenty to do and learn for 180 days/posts that future goodies don't need to be exposed... Something to look forward to
#30
Moderator: Southwest Airlines, Capital One
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: California
Programs: WN Companion Pass, A-list preferred, Hyatt Globalist; United Club Lietime (sic) Member
Posts: 21,618
Searchbots.
I tend to agree with this for MR Deals and Manufactured Spending.