LX A with new minimum stay conditions

Old Jan 26, 23, 1:52 am
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LX A with new minimum stay conditions

I used to book frequently LX to North America in First in booking class A when staying in NY for 3 days without problems. Trying to book this for October again, it did not work out and only F booking class available, while A was available according to Expert Flyer. Calling the Swiss core customer service, I was told after some checking that the new minimum stay is now 6 days for booking class A. Core customer service wasnt aware of this and surprised.
Probably the solution is to book two tickets, one originating in Europe and one originating in US (for two stays).
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Old Jan 26, 23, 3:56 am
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Beware of higher fares in one direction though. Typically USA-Europe is more than Europe-USA.
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Old Jan 26, 23, 4:30 am
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It has been like that for quite a while, no A on LHG on less than a week
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Old Jan 26, 23, 9:50 am
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Originally Posted by chris63
It has been like that for quite a while, no A on LHG on less than a week
Similar to P fares. Was looking for a P fare to use my eVouchers for a short business trip to New York later this year and no cheap P fare on less than 6 nights.
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Old Jan 26, 23, 12:12 pm
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I was just checking the fare rules. The cheapest A fare ZRH-NYC for mid Octover is ANCB0 at 7295++ CHF.
The rules for Minimum Stay say: " TRAVEL FROM TURNAROUND MUST COMMENCE NO EARLIER THAN
12 HOURS AFTER ARRIVAL AT THE TURNAROUND."

How do they implement the minimum stay?
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Old Jan 26, 23, 1:14 pm
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Originally Posted by Unterwegs
I was just checking the fare rules. The cheapest A fare ZRH-NYC for mid Octover is ANCB0 at 7295++ CHF.
The rules for Minimum Stay say: " TRAVEL FROM TURNAROUND MUST COMMENCE NO EARLIER THAN
12 HOURS AFTER ARRIVAL AT THE TURNAROUND."

How do they implement the minimum stay?
That is the minimum stay, there's nothing else to implement. Looks like that fare can be booked if you return from NYC the next day; doing an immediate turn drives the fare up to CHF12k+
FWIW on NYC-ZRH there is a cheaper A fare that does have a Sat night stay requirement, for ~$6.7k (and 50-day advance purchase), otherwise it's $11k+. Currently nothing I see on this route that requires a full 7 days.
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Old Jan 26, 23, 1:19 pm
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Originally Posted by Fabo.sk
Beware of higher fares in one direction though. Typically USA-Europe is more than Europe-USA.
Usually way more, and prices from NY to Europe have been crazy for a while.
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Old Jan 26, 23, 5:04 pm
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LH-Group (not LX specific) introduced these crazy 8-10 day minimum stays for A class about 6 months ago.

What happened is they dropped the OR Saturday night requirement, which probably screws most of us.

Its absurd really as its inconsistent with most of their competitors, and just pushes most of us to other airlines. In case no one else has noticed, their F cabins suddenly arent looking as smugly full as they were last summer 🤷🏻‍♂️
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Old Jan 27, 23, 12:17 am
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Originally Posted by vantage03
LG-Group (not LX specific) introduced these crazy 8-10 day minimum stays for A class about 6 months ago.

What happened is they dropped the OR Saturday night requirement, which probably screws most of us.

Its absurd really as its inconsistent with most of their competitors, and just pushes most of us to other airlines. In case no one else has noticed, their F cabins suddenly arent looking as smugly full as they were last summer 🤷🏻‍♂️
Yes, lets hope this starts to hurt their revenue & they drop these absurd enhancements
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Old Jan 28, 23, 11:19 am
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Originally Posted by Unterwegs
I was just checking the fare rules. The cheapest A fare ZRH-NYC for mid Octover is ANCB0 at 7295++ CHF.
The rules for Minimum Stay say: " TRAVEL FROM TURNAROUND MUST COMMENCE NO EARLIER THAN
12 HOURS AFTER ARRIVAL AT THE TURNAROUND."

How do they implement the minimum stay?
these cheap fares are not valid ex Germany.
so you have to start your trip in CH/IT/etc.
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Old Jan 28, 23, 11:32 am
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Generally, the last several months, A class availability becomes less and less even for 10, 11 or 12-mth out, even you see F8, A is 0.

Also annoying is, they can‘t tell you for sure if any upgrade availability whether LH or LX, but they can tell with certainty on award booking, this is another very strange thing to me. It makes it almost impossible for me to use evoucher in any of meaningful long-haul routes.

So much intransparency.
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Old Jan 28, 23, 9:40 pm
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Originally Posted by LHSEN
Generally, the last several months, A class availability becomes less and less even for 10, 11 or 12-mth out, even you see F8, A is 0.

Also annoying is, they cant tell you for sure if any upgrade availability whether LH or LX, but they can tell with certainty on award booking, this is another very strange thing to me. It makes it almost impossible for me to use evoucher in any of meaningful long-haul routes.

So much intransparency.
Yes, that is my experience also.

Impossible for me to use my evouchers since i refuse to end up in their sub par J on longhaul flights, been giving them away to Family on Y to I & even that has not been working out as they prioritise upgrade bids
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Old Jan 29, 23, 12:46 am
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Yes, that is my experience also.

Impossible for me to use my evouchers since i refuse to end up in their sub par J on longhaul flights, been giving them away to Family on Y to I & even that has not been working out as they prioritise upgrade bids
Same experience here. I always book business and then try to upgrade by calling Swiss. If it is no going through immediately, I ask them to cancel the business ticket, which is free of charge on the same day. In that call they can also rebook you on another flight to try, if there is upgrade availability. A very annoying complicated process, as they have to send the upgrade request to revenue management with mostly an (negative) reply within minutes.
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Old Jan 29, 23, 12:50 am
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Originally Posted by NYC1
Usually way more, and prices from NY to Europe have been crazy for a while.
yes, ex US fares are about 50% higher than ex Europe. But when you combine both it is still cheaper than booking F booking class.
BTW AF rules have not changed (3 days minimum), therefore their unchanged fares are on the same level from Europe as it is on LHG from US.
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Old Jan 29, 23, 4:54 am
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Originally Posted by shipsmail
Same experience here. I always book business and then try to upgrade by calling Swiss. If it is no going through immediately, I ask them to cancel the business ticket, which is free of charge on the same day. In that call they can also rebook you on another flight to try, if there is upgrade availability. A very annoying complicated process, as they have to send the upgrade request to revenue management with mostly an (negative) reply within minutes.
Pre Pandemic it was not like this, they used to be super helpful.
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