Covid19: Swiss refunds after cancellation
#662
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: ZRH / SEA, DL PM
Posts: 1,156
Data point: ZRH-BKK-ZRH Z fare $2400. Flew outbound in March, but return was cancelled, had to buy new ticket on KLM to get back home.
Ticket booked through Expedia. Expedia made multiple attempts to contact Swiss about refund with no reply.
In August disputed half of the charge with Amex (DL Skymiles). I received $1200 credit immediately and now I see that dispute status changed to CLOSED, so I assume everything went well. Probably Swiss did not bother to reply to charge back .
Ticket booked through Expedia. Expedia made multiple attempts to contact Swiss about refund with no reply.
In August disputed half of the charge with Amex (DL Skymiles). I received $1200 credit immediately and now I see that dispute status changed to CLOSED, so I assume everything went well. Probably Swiss did not bother to reply to charge back .
#663
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Data point: ZRH-BKK-ZRH Z fare $2400. Flew outbound in March, but return was cancelled, had to buy new ticket on KLM to get back home.
Ticket booked through Expedia. Expedia made multiple attempts to contact Swiss about refund with no reply.
In August disputed half of the charge with Amex (DL Skymiles). I received $1200 credit immediately and now I see that dispute status changed to CLOSED, so I assume everything went well. Probably Swiss did not bother to reply to charge back .
Ticket booked through Expedia. Expedia made multiple attempts to contact Swiss about refund with no reply.
In August disputed half of the charge with Amex (DL Skymiles). I received $1200 credit immediately and now I see that dispute status changed to CLOSED, so I assume everything went well. Probably Swiss did not bother to reply to charge back .
#664
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: ZRH / SEA, DL PM
Posts: 1,156
Thanks. LX offered to rebook on BKK-FRA-ZRH which I initially accepted but it was getting changed +/- 2 days every day back in April and then Genrmany added a note to Timatic that connections in Germany allowed << only if no other reasonable alternative existed >> whatever it means. I decided not risk and reject new schedule change. Netherlands explicitly allowed connections with Swiss work permits, so I went with a safer option and even then I was scrutinized at BKK check in and AMS immigration.
#665
Join Date: Aug 2017
Programs: BAEC, EK, VS FC
Posts: 158
Time scale for refund improving?
i had notification of a significant change to flights on 16th August ( LHR to Sri Lanka in November in including Edelweiss)
Decided to cancel
I had money back on Credit card 22 September
i had notification of a significant change to flights on 16th August ( LHR to Sri Lanka in November in including Edelweiss)
Decided to cancel
I had money back on Credit card 22 September
#666
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: UK
Programs: AA Platinum Pro, HHonors Diamond
Posts: 174
Just wondering if anyone has had a similar experience to me... Booked First LHR > DAR for October and flight was cancelled back in June . I called immediately and requested a refund but never got any confirmation emails etc. I tried chasing for the refund by email a couple of times but have never had a response. I eventually disputed through Amex (UK) who have now reinstated the charge saying that Swiss have given documentation showing the charge is legitimate. I've not been able to see the details of what Swiss are saying as I'm away currently, but I can't for the life of me think what they are playing at. Anyone got any suggestions? I'd quite like my Ł3000 back!
#667
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Just wondering if anyone has had a similar experience to me... Booked First LHR > DAR for October and flight was cancelled back in June . I called immediately and requested a refund but never got any confirmation emails etc. I tried chasing for the refund by email a couple of times but have never had a response. I eventually disputed through Amex (UK) who have now reinstated the charge saying that Swiss have given documentation showing the charge is legitimate. I've not been able to see the details of what Swiss are saying as I'm away currently, but I can't for the life of me think what they are playing at. Anyone got any suggestions? I'd quite like my Ł3000 back!
i had a similar situation with KLM. Please feel free to use some of the stuff I used with them - see this post https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/32542496-post70.html
#668
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: MEX
Programs: AC E75K
Posts: 4,171
Just wondering if anyone has had a similar experience to me... Booked First LHR > DAR for October and flight was cancelled back in June . I called immediately and requested a refund but never got any confirmation emails etc. I tried chasing for the refund by email a couple of times but have never had a response. I eventually disputed through Amex (UK) who have now reinstated the charge saying that Swiss have given documentation showing the charge is legitimate. I've not been able to see the details of what Swiss are saying as I'm away currently, but I can't for the life of me think what they are playing at. Anyone got any suggestions? I'd quite like my Ł3000 back!
In another case, a posted reported that LX even admitted to him that the department of LX dealing with chargebacks has been instructed to contest all chargebacks, regardless of circumstances, while a separate refund department will (slowly) process the refund requests that are due.
#669
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Tasmania, Australia
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Just for the record, two return business airfares (HBA-MEL-HKG-ZRH-PRG||BCN-ZRH-HKG-SYD-HBA) for myself and Mrs booked in October 2019 through brick and mortar TA for outbound on 4 May 2020 that have been cancelled by LX about two weeks prior original departure were finally fully refunded last week.
#670
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: ZRH
Posts: 28
Joining the club, I've had several flights cancelled this year and so far I've received refunds for all of them except the first and most expensive one (CHF 1000+) for which I made a chargeback.
Swiss presented some generic paperwork and Visa cancelled the chargeback and debited me again, this was back in April.
I've called Swiss several times and the reply is always that the refund was not processed because I made a chargeback. Upon explaining that the chargeback was cancelled they don't know what to say, only that they transfer the claim to the refunds department again.
Not really sure what to do next, would filling a claim with the BAZL be of any help?
Swiss presented some generic paperwork and Visa cancelled the chargeback and debited me again, this was back in April.
I've called Swiss several times and the reply is always that the refund was not processed because I made a chargeback. Upon explaining that the chargeback was cancelled they don't know what to say, only that they transfer the claim to the refunds department again.
Not really sure what to do next, would filling a claim with the BAZL be of any help?
#671
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: MEX
Programs: AC E75K
Posts: 4,171
Joining the club, I've had several flights cancelled this year and so far I've received refunds for all of them except the first and most expensive one (CHF 1000+) for which I made a chargeback.
Swiss presented some generic paperwork and Visa cancelled the chargeback and debited me again, this was back in April.
I've called Swiss several times and the reply is always that the refund was not processed because I made a chargeback. Upon explaining that the chargeback was cancelled they don't know what to say, only that they transfer the claim to the refunds department again.
Not really sure what to do next, would filling a claim with the BAZL be of any help?
Swiss presented some generic paperwork and Visa cancelled the chargeback and debited me again, this was back in April.
I've called Swiss several times and the reply is always that the refund was not processed because I made a chargeback. Upon explaining that the chargeback was cancelled they don't know what to say, only that they transfer the claim to the refunds department again.
Not really sure what to do next, would filling a claim with the BAZL be of any help?
#672
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Joining the club, I've had several flights cancelled this year and so far I've received refunds for all of them except the first and most expensive one (CHF 1000+) for which I made a chargeback.
Swiss presented some generic paperwork and Visa cancelled the chargeback and debited me again, this was back in April.
I've called Swiss several times and the reply is always that the refund was not processed because I made a chargeback. Upon explaining that the chargeback was cancelled they don't know what to say, only that they transfer the claim to the refunds department again.
Not really sure what to do next, would filling a claim with the BAZL be of any help?
Swiss presented some generic paperwork and Visa cancelled the chargeback and debited me again, this was back in April.
I've called Swiss several times and the reply is always that the refund was not processed because I made a chargeback. Upon explaining that the chargeback was cancelled they don't know what to say, only that they transfer the claim to the refunds department again.
Not really sure what to do next, would filling a claim with the BAZL be of any help?
#673
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: FRA
Programs: LH SEN**, IHG Diamond Ambassador
Posts: 667
I had booked a super-cheap (non-refundable) P-fare (FRA-ZRH-LAX RT) in April for the second week of December to travel to a conference. At that time, I had the hope that the COVID-19 situation would have calmed down and international travel would be possible again without major restrictions. With my conference being moved to a virtual format and the current development of the pandemic, I will not need/want to go to LAX in December.
This morning, I received an email from LX that flights LX40/41 (ZRH-LAX/LAX-ZRH) are cancelled and that they offered to re-book my trip on the direct LH flight LH456/457 (FRA-LAX/LAX-FRA) outbound and inbound on the same days than the original trip. Outbound would leave at almost exactly same time (and arrive in LAX ~3 hours earlier), but the inbound would depart 4 hours earlier than initially planned. With the unclear development, I also do not want to accept the offer from LX to rebook my flight to a later date (free-of-charge, but with a hefty charge for the fare difference).
Will it be a problem to ask for a cancellation+full refund? Or will I need to argue with LX that a 4h earlier departure on the return does not suit my schedule (and flying a day later instead is neither an option for me). Or should I wait until the travel warning for the US is extended to December by the German government, which very likely will happen?
This morning, I received an email from LX that flights LX40/41 (ZRH-LAX/LAX-ZRH) are cancelled and that they offered to re-book my trip on the direct LH flight LH456/457 (FRA-LAX/LAX-FRA) outbound and inbound on the same days than the original trip. Outbound would leave at almost exactly same time (and arrive in LAX ~3 hours earlier), but the inbound would depart 4 hours earlier than initially planned. With the unclear development, I also do not want to accept the offer from LX to rebook my flight to a later date (free-of-charge, but with a hefty charge for the fare difference).
Will it be a problem to ask for a cancellation+full refund? Or will I need to argue with LX that a 4h earlier departure on the return does not suit my schedule (and flying a day later instead is neither an option for me). Or should I wait until the travel warning for the US is extended to December by the German government, which very likely will happen?
#674
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: GVA
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Pretty sure you can just tell them that this rebooking doesn't arrange you and you want a refund.
EU rules should apply and there you have the choice of refund, too, in case a flight gets cancelled.
EU rules should apply and there you have the choice of refund, too, in case a flight gets cancelled.
#675
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You are entitled to a full refund for the whole booking if any flight is cancelled - that is very clear in the Regulations. What you are offered as an alternative doesn't detract from that at all.